Quote from Jiří on December 20, 2020, 10:01 am

@orion I try to eat no more than 2mg of copper a day(It is very easy to eat some nuts, chocolate etc.. and end up with 5-10mg a day) and keep zinc at 20-30 mg a day with red meat or chelated zinc supplement on days I was not eating beef.. + Small amount of vit C and here and there copper antagonists like chromium and molybdenum. Right now my serum copper is low. So I don't have much energy, lower blood pressure, tired etc.. Once the liver dumps copper in the blood again I will increase zinc, vit C a lot. My biggest issue is that I have hard time digest fats=bad bile flow production. Which is the main way of eliminating excess of copper. So for me this process is very slow.. Now in the winter I use near infrared sauna which I have homemade here. That speeds up the body a lot and sometimes it is enough to induce "copper dump" So I eliminate bigger amount in shorter period of time. But it is really stressful for adrenals and the whole body. Having high serum free copper.. A lot of oxidative stress..

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Would this work and be safe with only sea salt? 

@ladybug I don't think sea salt will give the muscle relaxant results that epsom salts do, for a liver purge.

Here is a quick read on the proper liver flush:   https://www.davidwolfe.com/liver-gallbladder-flush-protocol/

 

 

Thanks, I'll read it.

Quote from Orion on February 6, 2021, 9:09 am

@are I have read that the individual flushes can have big difference in content.   Did you have some apples/juice or malic acid during the week?  You also might want to try the flush minus the epsom salt, and test a oil/juice mixture flush.

Quote from Jiří on February 6, 2021, 11:00 am

@are Apples and apple juice is really bad idea - fructose +pectin.. Really bad combo for liver. But you can take just malic acid. I take every day 1 capsule of malic acid from swanson..

Quote from Jiří on February 6, 2021, 2:08 pm

@are Apples are used before the flush just for malic acid content to soften some stones IF they are calcified.. So if you eat apples eat at least the green ones like Granny Smith that are more sour and less sweet = have more malic acid...

Quote from Orion on February 7, 2021, 7:17 am

@are that 'exorcism' gave me a good laugh!  thank you 🙂

Quote from wavygravygadzooks on April 8, 2021, 3:45 pm

Do any of you experience gas when doing these flushes? 

I've been having daily bile acid diarrhea since going low vA carnivore like @gonzalo and my experiences sound a lot like mini versions of these flushes (eat saturated fat + supplement various forms of magnesium up to 900 mg daily => lots of bile passed into colon with serious osmotic potential) .  But I get gas every night and it's uncomfortable enough to make me get out of bed almost every time.  I have to move into different positions and it takes an hour before I can pass most of the gas out.  I think it's the bile acids getting decomposed by bacteria, as opposed to undigested food being fermented, but I'm not positive.  I usually have some remaining gas the next morning, and then once that's out I don't typically have gas again until 11:00 PM or midnight.

I'm tempted to try these flushes and see how they compare...

Quote from wavygravygadzooks on April 9, 2021, 2:36 pm

@jiri What is the role of citrus fruits in this flush?  Is it the citric acid or another part of the fruit that's serving a purpose?

Quote from Jiří on April 9, 2021, 9:27 pm

@wavygravygadzooks I don't know to be honest...