There was some initial diarrhea but it subsided. It made by facial rash and cracked heels worse. In terms of biomarkers, my liver enzymes ALT and AST (I think) got worse.
There was some initial diarrhea but it subsided. It made by facial rash and cracked heels worse. In terms of biomarkers, my liver enzymes ALT and AST (I think) got worse.
@wavygravygadzooks ketosis from no carb, high fat diet is far from ideal state for humans and making glucose from no carb, high protein diet is even worse.. We see all the time again and again how people crush on diets like that. Same goes for stupid vegan diets or even worse fruitarian diets. We evolved to eat cooked meats and starches. That ensured a constant supply of energy for our body and also for our brains so we don't have to think 24/7 abour survival and do other things that humans do. I don't see any 80-90 yo carnivore people in good health for their age walking around saying they were eating no plants for decades... Without glucose our body runs in survival mode. Ketosis is plan B. So we don't die.. Just look at Saladino for example. Couldn't be on 100% carnivore diet even 5 years. Now is pounding fruits and honey with animal foods...
@wavygravygadzooks ketosis from no carb, high fat diet is far from ideal state for humans and making glucose from no carb, high protein diet is even worse.. We see all the time again and again how people crush on diets like that. Same goes for stupid vegan diets or even worse fruitarian diets. We evolved to eat cooked meats and starches. That ensured a constant supply of energy for our body and also for our brains so we don't have to think 24/7 abour survival and do other things that humans do. I don't see any 80-90 yo carnivore people in good health for their age walking around saying they were eating no plants for decades... Without glucose our body runs in survival mode. Ketosis is plan B. So we don't die.. Just look at Saladino for example. Couldn't be on 100% carnivore diet even 5 years. Now is pounding fruits and honey with animal foods...
You'll notice that the carnivore flunkies are generally the ones who eat a bunch of liver, organs, and maybe to a lesser extent lots of eggs and dairy. If there are people who make it 10+ years on carnivore and are still very healthy (and there are a growing number of them), that is sufficient proof that ketosis is not a problem, gluconeogenesis is not a problem, lack of carbohydrates is not a problem, etc. There is something the flunkies are obviously doing wrong, and it appears to have to do with Vitamin A and/or copper from organ meat consumption, and possibly excessive amounts of other vitamins/minerals. Anthony Chaffee has been making some decent videos lately, laying it out pretty plain and simple.
You'll notice that the carnivore flunkies are generally the ones who eat a bunch of liver, organs, and maybe to a lesser extent lots of eggs and dairy. If there are people who make it 10+ years on carnivore and are still very healthy (and there are a growing number of them), that is sufficient proof that ketosis is not a problem, gluconeogenesis is not a problem, lack of carbohydrates is not a problem, etc. There is something the flunkies are obviously doing wrong, and it appears to have to do with Vitamin A and/or copper from organ meat consumption, and possibly excessive amounts of other vitamins/minerals. Anthony Chaffee has been making some decent videos lately, laying it out pretty plain and simple.
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Just look at Saladino for example. Couldn't be on 100% carnivore diet even 5 years. Now is pounding fruits and honey with animal foods...
Judy Cho has a podcast each week where she or the guest criticizes Paul Saladino. I feel bad for following Paul in the organ meats area. Still, everyone seems to be dumping on him, both practicing carnivores and anti-carnivores.
I guess our ancestors maybe up to five million years ago were eating a lot of fruit but after that we switched to being scavengers and then hunters. I like Miki Ben-Dor's hypothesis (with evidence) that humans were primarily hypercarnivores, by which he means hunting big game (megafauna). Big animals have proportionately more body fat than smaller animals.
Also keep in mind a recent point I heard from Bart Kay on Judy Cho's podcast: wild tubers are as much or more fibrous as starchy and the fiber is processed by the bacteria in the gut into fat. So wild tubers eaten as back up food when the hunt was unsuccessful were also providing a lot of fat to the human body. Saladino says the modern Hadza, who live in a game poor environment due to encroachment by the government and other groups, try to spit out as much of the fiber from the fibrous tubers as possible. Kay also claimed that most evolutionary groups consumed berries for only two weeks out of the year (in the fall), although I don't know the evidence for that.
Just look at Saladino for example. Couldn't be on 100% carnivore diet even 5 years. Now is pounding fruits and honey with animal foods...
Judy Cho has a podcast each week where she or the guest criticizes Paul Saladino. I feel bad for following Paul in the organ meats area. Still, everyone seems to be dumping on him, both practicing carnivores and anti-carnivores.
I guess our ancestors maybe up to five million years ago were eating a lot of fruit but after that we switched to being scavengers and then hunters. I like Miki Ben-Dor's hypothesis (with evidence) that humans were primarily hypercarnivores, by which he means hunting big game (megafauna). Big animals have proportionately more body fat than smaller animals.
Also keep in mind a recent point I heard from Bart Kay on Judy Cho's podcast: wild tubers are as much or more fibrous as starchy and the fiber is processed by the bacteria in the gut into fat. So wild tubers eaten as back up food when the hunt was unsuccessful were also providing a lot of fat to the human body. Saladino says the modern Hadza, who live in a game poor environment due to encroachment by the government and other groups, try to spit out as much of the fiber from the fibrous tubers as possible. Kay also claimed that most evolutionary groups consumed berries for only two weeks out of the year (in the fall), although I don't know the evidence for that.
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Yeah, I appreciate the wide net that Judy Cho has been casting, bringing a variety of viewpoints to her podcast, although I don't find her to be quite as sharp and critical of the thoughts presented by her interviewees as some of the other folks out there. For example, I do like much of what Bark Kay has to say, but the whole Randle Cycle thing he's been going on about (and that Judy ate up without question) does not really explain what he implies it does. All the Randle Cycle explains is the feedback mechanism for stopping the entry of energy substrates into the cell and mitochondria...it's always being "activated" regardless of fat or carbohydrate ratios, so the problem is not the fact that it gets activated, but rather how much of the energy substrates remain in the blood, how long they remain in the blood, and the different consequences of having excess glucose vs excess fat in the blood.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that most indigenous peoples living in cold climates did not eat much fruit. Alaska natives are known to preserve certain berries for consumption in the winter, but I can almost guarantee I pick more berries myself (upwards of 20 gallons some years!) than most of them do, only because I have a chest freezer and a dehydrator to preserve them, and I'm a dumb white dude who doesn't comprehend the idea of moderation lol.
Yeah, I appreciate the wide net that Judy Cho has been casting, bringing a variety of viewpoints to her podcast, although I don't find her to be quite as sharp and critical of the thoughts presented by her interviewees as some of the other folks out there. For example, I do like much of what Bark Kay has to say, but the whole Randle Cycle thing he's been going on about (and that Judy ate up without question) does not really explain what he implies it does. All the Randle Cycle explains is the feedback mechanism for stopping the entry of energy substrates into the cell and mitochondria...it's always being "activated" regardless of fat or carbohydrate ratios, so the problem is not the fact that it gets activated, but rather how much of the energy substrates remain in the blood, how long they remain in the blood, and the different consequences of having excess glucose vs excess fat in the blood.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that most indigenous peoples living in cold climates did not eat much fruit. Alaska natives are known to preserve certain berries for consumption in the winter, but I can almost guarantee I pick more berries myself (upwards of 20 gallons some years!) than most of them do, only because I have a chest freezer and a dehydrator to preserve them, and I'm a dumb white dude who doesn't comprehend the idea of moderation lol.
I do like much of what Bark Kay has to say, but the whole Randle Cycle thing he's been going on about (and that Judy ate up without question) does not really explain what he implies it does.
Yeah, that technical mumbo jumbo sounded fishy so I decided not to think too hard about it. If I see dozens of people talking about the Randle cycle, I will pay more attention. Anyway, thanks for the concise summary.
I agree arctic people don't eat much fruit, but we evolved in Africa, not the arctic. So I am skeptical about Kay's claim of only two weeks of fruit a year from an evolutionary basis. I too am white and my ancestors lived more immediately in ice age Europe than in Africa.
I do like much of what Bark Kay has to say, but the whole Randle Cycle thing he's been going on about (and that Judy ate up without question) does not really explain what he implies it does.
Yeah, that technical mumbo jumbo sounded fishy so I decided not to think too hard about it. If I see dozens of people talking about the Randle cycle, I will pay more attention. Anyway, thanks for the concise summary.
I agree arctic people don't eat much fruit, but we evolved in Africa, not the arctic. So I am skeptical about Kay's claim of only two weeks of fruit a year from an evolutionary basis. I too am white and my ancestors lived more immediately in ice age Europe than in Africa.
Much of human evolution took place in Africa on the plains. From what I've heard, there's not a lot of fruit to be had outside of forests down there, or anywhere else really. There's very little reason to believe that pre-historic humans, as a whole, ate much fruit. I'm sure the people that lived near tropical fruiting trees ate more than people in other locales, but they still needed meat to survive just like all other humans, and most of their foraging time was therefore probably spent trying to get meat, with fruit serving as an ancillary snack along the way when it was available.
Much of human evolution took place in Africa on the plains. From what I've heard, there's not a lot of fruit to be had outside of forests down there, or anywhere else really. There's very little reason to believe that pre-historic humans, as a whole, ate much fruit. I'm sure the people that lived near tropical fruiting trees ate more than people in other locales, but they still needed meat to survive just like all other humans, and most of their foraging time was therefore probably spent trying to get meat, with fruit serving as an ancillary snack along the way when it was available.
Interesting point about the plains versus forests in terms of fruit availability. In terms of time available to forage, presumably the women forage while the men hunt. But Miki Ben-Dor suggests no one goes out looking for food when a large animal has been killed and not completely eaten by the group.
Interesting point about the plains versus forests in terms of fruit availability. In terms of time available to forage, presumably the women forage while the men hunt. But Miki Ben-Dor suggests no one goes out looking for food when a large animal has been killed and not completely eaten by the group.
