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Carnivore diet (all animal foods)

Thanks @mike and Grant. This is quite fascinating. It’s an idea I think I’ll explore further.

I found this good article on oxalates. I think it’s worth reading for anyone interested.

https://jevohealth.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1085&context=journal

There is a FB group "Trying Low Oxalates (TLO)", best info about oxalates, dumping symptoms.  I did cutler protocol for mercury, arsen and lead for many years, oxalates trap heavy metals in the tissues, many people with oxalate problems have heavy metals problems too - probably the reason why I had so many stored oxalates+the diet high in oxalates+leaky gut.

Some reasons why people can acummulate oxalates in the body: High intake of oxalates does lead to oxalates in the body and if you have a leaky gut then something like 50% of ingested ox can enter the body. High oxidative stress and b6 deficiency can lead to the body producing its own oxalates. Large amounts of supplemental vitamin c, can convert to oxalates.

If I have oxalate dumping symptoms, I'm very sensitive to dietary oxalate intake, high oxalate foods but very low in vitamin A make  my symptoms much worse: cocoa, carob, sesame seeds, almonds, cashews, white buckwheat, poppy seeds.

And if I eat zero oxalate foods but high vitamin A - goat cheese (only to test), my vitamin A symptoms are worse.

@mike

I have a friend who has crohn's disease and he is doing carnivore diet - only muscle fat meat, on this diet, he could stop all drugs and corticoids, all his symptoms are gone, but he does not know which foods  actually makes him sick, he is very afraid to return to the normal diet, his uric acid, cholesterol are higher, he regularly tests his kidneys, liver...so far everything okay but he is doing this diet just a few months, the most people on carnivore diet are relatively young, we do not know exactly what this diet will do long term with the organs,  kidneys, liver... it can take years until some nutrients are depleted, until adrenal fatigue occurs, hormonal problems (zero carbs, keto), the vegan diet also works for many people only for the first months, 2-3 years...A diet high in meat amino acids tryptophan, cysteine and methionine is shown to increase cancer risk.  I know carnivore people say fiber is unnecessary and all plants are toxic... I like Chris Kresser opinion: https://chriskresser.com/the-carnivore-diet-is-it-really-healthy/

I myself have big problems with my gut, SCD, GAPS, gluten free diet, various protocols, supplements worked for me only temporarily but now with low oxalate and low vitamin A my gut is much better, the inflammation is lower.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@bludicka Very rarely, people can do carnivore diet for 1 year, cure crohns, then go back to eating carbs. I know of 1 person who did that: http://crohnscarnivore.blogspot.com/

 

Your friend may be able to do the same. Most people are not this lucky and they have to stay on carnivore forever to stay healthy.

@mike

Have you tried low oxalate diet before carnivore?

I am curious if my diet (no gluten, very low vitamin A, low oxalate, low lectins...) will completly heal my gut and other health problems.

 

@bludicka I think I tried low oxalate in the past, but I don't remember the specifics. I don't remember how I felt at the time. I think most people who try low oxalate feel worse at first because they are dumping, but I am no expert on that.

Quote from mike on May 17, 2019, 9:43 am

@bludicka I think I tried low oxalate in the past, but I don't remember the specifics. I don't remember how I felt at the time. I think most people who try low oxalate feel worse at first because they are dumping, but I am no expert on that.

I wonder if lowering A helps the liver or body in general start processing other toxins more effectively?

I tried the beef only version of carnivore for a couple days a month or two ago and I started having intense carb cravings. I might revisit it again at some point.

I definitely dramatically increased my dietary oxalate unintentionally when I went low A and I also slashed my calcium intake.

I seriously hate restrictions but at this point I’d rather have my health. I tried eating like my husband several years ago (not as much just the same type of foods) and it was the worst thing I ever did health wise.

Thanks for starting this topic @mike.

Quote from bludicka on May 17, 2019, 1:06 am

There is a FB group "Trying Low Oxalates (TLO)", best info about oxalates, dumping symptoms.  I did cutler protocol for mercury, arsen and lead for many years, oxalates trap heavy metals in the tissues, many people with oxalate problems have heavy metals problems too - probably the reason why I had so many stored oxalates+the diet high in oxalates+leaky gut.

Some reasons why people can acummulate oxalates in the body: High intake of oxalates does lead to oxalates in the body and if you have a leaky gut then something like 50% of ingested ox can enter the body. High oxidative stress and b6 deficiency can lead to the body producing its own oxalates. Large amounts of supplemental vitamin c, can convert to oxalates.

If I have oxalate dumping symptoms, I'm very sensitive to dietary oxalate intake, high oxalate foods but very low in vitamin A make  my symptoms much worse: cocoa, carob, sesame seeds, almonds, cashews, white buckwheat, poppy seeds.

And if I eat zero oxalate foods but high vitamin A - goat cheese (only to test), my vitamin A symptoms are worse.

@mike

I have a friend who has crohn's disease and he is doing carnivore diet - only muscle fat meat, on this diet, he could stop all drugs and corticoids, all his symptoms are gone, but he does not know which foods  actually makes him sick, he is very afraid to return to the normal diet, his uric acid, cholesterol are higher, he regularly tests his kidneys, liver...so far everything okay but he is doing this diet just a few months, the most people on carnivore diet are relatively young, we do not know exactly what this diet will do long term with the organs,  kidneys, liver... it can take years until some nutrients are depleted, until adrenal fatigue occurs, hormonal problems (zero carbs, keto), the vegan diet also works for many people only for the first months, 2-3 years...A diet high in meat amino acids tryptophan, cysteine and methionine is shown to increase cancer risk.  I know carnivore people say fiber is unnecessary and all plants are toxic... I like Chris Kresser opinion: https://chriskresser.com/the-carnivore-diet-is-it-really-healthy/

I myself have big problems with my gut, SCD, GAPS, gluten free diet, various protocols, supplements worked for me only temporarily but now with low oxalate and low vitamin A my gut is much better, the inflammation is lower.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Bludicka,

I'm looking forward to doing the Andy Cutler protocol for mercury 3 months after as I get my amalgams out .  How was your experience? And any advice for me?

Thanks
John

There is a lot of confirmation and survivorship bias on this diet. I definetly need carbs and I believe they are absolutely necessary for well functioning kidney and liver.

Quote from John on May 30, 2019, 8:53 am

Hi Bludicka,

I'm looking forward to doing the Andy Cutler protocol for mercury 3 months after as I get my amalgams out .  How was your experience? And any advice for me?

Thanks
John

I was very toxic... not only mercury but lead, arsenic, copper too, chelation took me years but the most people feel benefits after just a few months, a year. Cutler protocol is the safest mercury protocol, the most important for me was the adrenal support (I took thorne adrenal cortex, standard process drenamin) and do not push on detox, going slowly with low doses, low thiol foods, vitamins, minerals. First months without ala, only DMPS or DMSA, when the body is roughly cleaned up then add ala. Never take glutathion, NAC, experimental chelators - zeolite sprays, nano chlorella, coriander... (very bad experiences). For me personally, chelation was very helpful, for copper I did only nutritional balancing. When the mercury was out, the body was able to excrete the other metals without chelators, only with support of minerals, vitamins and healthy foods.