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Charlatans and Opportunists: The Hidden Exploitation in Vitamin A Toxicity Science
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r on August 14, 2024, 2:21 pm
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:15 pm
@joe you are unhinged and a bizarre cult follower who has a hero worship bordering on religious devotion to the low vitamin a mentality. You take its tenets on faith and chastistize those not wedded religiously and emotionally to it.
Meri and Jenny rarely even post here. They indeed are busy doing they're own thing. You are yelling at the wind basically lol.
Jessica, your story is a wild ride. You had issues from Vitamin A, fixed them by cutting it out, and then gained weight by adding pasta and other foods back. You even worked through your Vitamin A tolerance.
But now, when you can handle Vitamin A foods again, you’re suddenly trashing the whole theory?
Seriously? It’s like using a ruler to measure something and then blaming the ruler when you don’t like the result. Come on, you can’t rewrite history just because it doesn’t suit you now!
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:15 pm
@joe you are unhinged and a bizarre cult follower who has a hero worship bordering on religious devotion to the low vitamin a mentality. You take its tenets on faith and chastistize those not wedded religiously and emotionally to it.
Meri and Jenny rarely even post here. They indeed are busy doing they're own thing. You are yelling at the wind basically lol.
Jessica, your story is a wild ride. You had issues from Vitamin A, fixed them by cutting it out, and then gained weight by adding pasta and other foods back. You even worked through your Vitamin A tolerance.
But now, when you can handle Vitamin A foods again, you’re suddenly trashing the whole theory?
Seriously? It’s like using a ruler to measure something and then blaming the ruler when you don’t like the result. Come on, you can’t rewrite history just because it doesn’t suit you now!
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r on August 14, 2024, 2:35 pm
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:25 pm
@r-2 that isn't my story at all. I gained weight while on low A and I felt like crap on that diet. While on the diet, I had covid twice and back/kidney pain. I feel better off of it.
But you are vaccinated
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:25 pm
@r-2 that isn't my story at all. I gained weight while on low A and I felt like crap on that diet. While on the diet, I had covid twice and back/kidney pain. I feel better off of it.
But you are vaccinated
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r on August 14, 2024, 2:48 pm
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:44 pm
@r-2 Where did I ever say I was vaccinated? Honestly it's none of your f****** business whether I am or not but I will let you know since you're being snarky a-hole: no I'm not.
That was a low blow and completely out of line, not to mention it breaks the forum's rules. But even with all that, I still think your opinion deserves to be heard.
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:44 pm
@r-2 Where did I ever say I was vaccinated? Honestly it's none of your f****** business whether I am or not but I will let you know since you're being snarky a-hole: no I'm not.
That was a low blow and completely out of line, not to mention it breaks the forum's rules. But even with all that, I still think your opinion deserves to be heard.
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sand on July 30, 2024, 10:00 pm
Totally agree with you @r-2: Garrett Smith is not a doctor and an ignoramus, and this Andrew guy is just somebody with a Messiah complex
Disagree on Garrett. His growing list of clients and our testimonials speak better than any evidence you presented here.
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sand on July 30, 2024, 10:00 pm
Totally agree with you @r-2: Garrett Smith is not a doctor and an ignoramus, and this Andrew guy is just somebody with a Messiah complex
Disagree on Garrett. His growing list of clients and our testimonials speak better than any evidence you presented here.
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r on August 14, 2024, 2:50 pm
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Joe on August 14, 2024, 2:49 pm
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sand on July 30, 2024, 10:00 pm
Totally agree with you @r-2: Garrett Smith is not a doctor and an ignoramus, and this Andrew guy is just somebody with a Messiah complex
Disagree on Garrett. His growing list of clients and our testimonials speak better than any evidence you presented here.
I respect Garrett enough to stick with the plan , at least he is not asking people to consume Vitamin A .
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Joe on August 14, 2024, 2:49 pm
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sand on July 30, 2024, 10:00 pm
Totally agree with you @r-2: Garrett Smith is not a doctor and an ignoramus, and this Andrew guy is just somebody with a Messiah complex
Disagree on Garrett. His growing list of clients and our testimonials speak better than any evidence you presented here.
I respect Garrett enough to stick with the plan , at least he is not asking people to consume Vitamin A .
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Jessica2 on July 31, 2024, 6:13 am
@sand A "messiah complex" if it means self sacrificing isn't a bad thing. Andrew gives much of his personal time to giving advice for free on the Facebook group, here, and elsewhere. I've gotten much good advice from him for free. He doesn't have to use his personal time to give me his opinions and listen to me and my nutritional struggles but he does and offers very well thought out and experienced based answers.
Conversely, when a "messiah complex" manifests as someone who overestimates his own personal value and believes egotistically that he's the ONLY one with right answers, thats harmful. I wouldn't say this is Andrew at all. It's not Grant or Meri at all either. I won't say who that is but we all know.
No. You do not know. What works for you will necessarily be different than what works for everyone else. Glad you are feeling better than you were. Hope you have less vitamin A in you than you did. I have my doubts that you do given what you have written about the diet that is currently giving you the least symptoms. Curious to know how you do when you finally do find a low vitamin A diet.
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Jessica2 on July 31, 2024, 6:13 am
@sand A "messiah complex" if it means self sacrificing isn't a bad thing. Andrew gives much of his personal time to giving advice for free on the Facebook group, here, and elsewhere. I've gotten much good advice from him for free. He doesn't have to use his personal time to give me his opinions and listen to me and my nutritional struggles but he does and offers very well thought out and experienced based answers.
Conversely, when a "messiah complex" manifests as someone who overestimates his own personal value and believes egotistically that he's the ONLY one with right answers, thats harmful. I wouldn't say this is Andrew at all. It's not Grant or Meri at all either. I won't say who that is but we all know.
No. You do not know. What works for you will necessarily be different than what works for everyone else. Glad you are feeling better than you were. Hope you have less vitamin A in you than you did. I have my doubts that you do given what you have written about the diet that is currently giving you the least symptoms. Curious to know how you do when you finally do find a low vitamin A diet.
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r on August 14, 2024, 2:53 pm
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:50 pm
"But youre vaccinated" was completely out of line and you know it was. Now you can pretend you're taking the high road and saying my behavior was out of line.
Many people are vaccinated here , whats the issues in mentioning that , but using swear words was totally unnecessary .
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Jessica2 on August 14, 2024, 2:50 pm
"But youre vaccinated" was completely out of line and you know it was. Now you can pretend you're taking the high road and saying my behavior was out of line.
Many people are vaccinated here , whats the issues in mentioning that , but using swear words was totally unnecessary .
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sand on August 3, 2024, 1:34 am
@jessica2 even though I disagree with some of what you say, I respect you, because you are honest and know a lot. You know a lot more than me. That is easy for me to see, and just as easy to admit. And I know the eggheads know a lot too. But we are a lot of people on this forum really working hard to get rid of vA from our system, because that is probably what made us sick. The guy with the Messiah complex is claiming, without foundation, that eggs will help us (the ones really in need of reducing vA) detox faster. Our saviour comes to help us. «Oh thank you so much, you are a genius, let me worship you. You took Grant’s knowledge and found the missing link. It was eggs».
I know you don’t care for my tone and the way I express myself, but I see right through Andrew and what he is doing. I’m sure he doesn’t see it himself, but he does have a Messiah complex. I’m sure he has helped you, maybe you didn’t have a big vA problem to begin with, he for sure didn’t have a vA problem to begin with.
And since you asked:
A messiah complex is a mental state where an individual believes they are destined to save or redeem others. It is not a clinical diagnosis but shares similarities with delusions of grandeur. People with this complex may feel an overwhelming responsibility to help others, sometimes to the detriment of their own well-being, and may exhibit behaviors driven by a desire for praise or power. It can also manifest as a form of pathological altruism, where good intentions lead to negative outcomes. The negative outcomes are super clear to me, and even Grant has said he doesn’t recommend eggs. I am sure it might relieve symptoms in the short run, but in the long run it is not the way to go. Anyway, this is what a Messiah complex is.
Well said. And agree. For what it is worth, Garrett has done a good thread on twitter regarding egg intake. Not only do they contain vitamin A, they help drive all forms of vitamin A deeper into storage faster. That is how they help provide symptomatic relief. The excessive sulfur levels are just the added bonus that slows down liver detox functions.
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sand on August 3, 2024, 1:34 am
@jessica2 even though I disagree with some of what you say, I respect you, because you are honest and know a lot. You know a lot more than me. That is easy for me to see, and just as easy to admit. And I know the eggheads know a lot too. But we are a lot of people on this forum really working hard to get rid of vA from our system, because that is probably what made us sick. The guy with the Messiah complex is claiming, without foundation, that eggs will help us (the ones really in need of reducing vA) detox faster. Our saviour comes to help us. «Oh thank you so much, you are a genius, let me worship you. You took Grant’s knowledge and found the missing link. It was eggs».
I know you don’t care for my tone and the way I express myself, but I see right through Andrew and what he is doing. I’m sure he doesn’t see it himself, but he does have a Messiah complex. I’m sure he has helped you, maybe you didn’t have a big vA problem to begin with, he for sure didn’t have a vA problem to begin with.
And since you asked:
A messiah complex is a mental state where an individual believes they are destined to save or redeem others. It is not a clinical diagnosis but shares similarities with delusions of grandeur. People with this complex may feel an overwhelming responsibility to help others, sometimes to the detriment of their own well-being, and may exhibit behaviors driven by a desire for praise or power. It can also manifest as a form of pathological altruism, where good intentions lead to negative outcomes. The negative outcomes are super clear to me, and even Grant has said he doesn’t recommend eggs. I am sure it might relieve symptoms in the short run, but in the long run it is not the way to go. Anyway, this is what a Messiah complex is.
Well said. And agree. For what it is worth, Garrett has done a good thread on twitter regarding egg intake. Not only do they contain vitamin A, they help drive all forms of vitamin A deeper into storage faster. That is how they help provide symptomatic relief. The excessive sulfur levels are just the added bonus that slows down liver detox functions.
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Hermes on August 3, 2024, 5:53 am
Really? I don't understand how you can conclude that Andrew Baird has a messiah complex. He sounds far from delusional, actually very down to earth, personable, knowledgeable and genuine. I think Andrew tried detoxing with rice, meat and beans before he discovered the benefits of eggs. Anyway, this smear is completely unfounded.
Your whole assessment of Andrew is based on whether or not he is wrong about eggs helping detox. They do not. He is wrong. He is not as open minded about being wrong as Grant is throughout his writings. Andrew has painted himself into a dogmatic corner that Grant has carefully not painted himself into. When it becomes clear that eggs are a bad idea and more and more people figure it out, that feeling of being helpful will become a weight around Andrew's neck.
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Hermes on August 3, 2024, 5:53 am
Really? I don't understand how you can conclude that Andrew Baird has a messiah complex. He sounds far from delusional, actually very down to earth, personable, knowledgeable and genuine. I think Andrew tried detoxing with rice, meat and beans before he discovered the benefits of eggs. Anyway, this smear is completely unfounded.
Your whole assessment of Andrew is based on whether or not he is wrong about eggs helping detox. They do not. He is wrong. He is not as open minded about being wrong as Grant is throughout his writings. Andrew has painted himself into a dogmatic corner that Grant has carefully not painted himself into. When it becomes clear that eggs are a bad idea and more and more people figure it out, that feeling of being helpful will become a weight around Andrew's neck.
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Jessica2 on August 3, 2024, 8:05 am
@sand well thank you for the respect and I'll try to return it. But Andrew is a friend and he doesn't have any ulterior motives and he doesn't say what he says without a basis. What basis would he really have to claim that eggs are good for you? I don't think he works for the egg lobby and he's not a chicken farmer from what I've gathered. He doesn't get money from Big Egg.
I understand many people here think VA is an issue. I thought it was mine at one point too. But a point I've repeatedly said is that if vitamin A is a poison across the board to all life forms we all should across the board get better when we cut its forms out of our diet. We just don't see that happening with everyone. If it wasn't an issue for me that means that it might not be an issue for other people therefore maybe it's a metabolism issue and not a "VA is straight poison" issue. If VA is not a straight poison then someone saying eggs are actually good for you for all the reasons that they've said is not someone being evil or someone with ulterior motives.
Fallacious reasoning. Not all people die after having mercury amalgam fillings placed in their teeth. Therefore mercury amalgams are not bad.
What you dance around daily is that you are on a blog based on the fact that vitamin A science is fraudulent all the way down and that it is a toxin. You present zero evidence to the contrary while pretending to be open minded and skeptical and knowledgeable. I had a dentist like that claim that my mercury amalgam fillings might be a problem if I was allergic to mercury.
Your fallacies are not our problem. If in fact, your metabolic theories and egg selling efforts are virtuous and useful, why not start a blog of your own and address the issues there? Why sell these ideas on a blog that daily proves the lie to these ideas? Why pretend to be friendly and helpful while trolling (Grant has stated Jessica is not a troll - moderator) and distracting?
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Jessica2 on August 3, 2024, 8:05 am
@sand well thank you for the respect and I'll try to return it. But Andrew is a friend and he doesn't have any ulterior motives and he doesn't say what he says without a basis. What basis would he really have to claim that eggs are good for you? I don't think he works for the egg lobby and he's not a chicken farmer from what I've gathered. He doesn't get money from Big Egg.
I understand many people here think VA is an issue. I thought it was mine at one point too. But a point I've repeatedly said is that if vitamin A is a poison across the board to all life forms we all should across the board get better when we cut its forms out of our diet. We just don't see that happening with everyone. If it wasn't an issue for me that means that it might not be an issue for other people therefore maybe it's a metabolism issue and not a "VA is straight poison" issue. If VA is not a straight poison then someone saying eggs are actually good for you for all the reasons that they've said is not someone being evil or someone with ulterior motives.
Fallacious reasoning. Not all people die after having mercury amalgam fillings placed in their teeth. Therefore mercury amalgams are not bad.
What you dance around daily is that you are on a blog based on the fact that vitamin A science is fraudulent all the way down and that it is a toxin. You present zero evidence to the contrary while pretending to be open minded and skeptical and knowledgeable. I had a dentist like that claim that my mercury amalgam fillings might be a problem if I was allergic to mercury.
Your fallacies are not our problem. If in fact, your metabolic theories and egg selling efforts are virtuous and useful, why not start a blog of your own and address the issues there? Why sell these ideas on a blog that daily proves the lie to these ideas? Why pretend to be friendly and helpful while trolling (Grant has stated Jessica is not a troll - moderator) and distracting?
