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cherries
I was faced with the choice or (yellow) rainier cherries or regular dark red cherries at my local farm. I asked a little girl, hoping she still has some instincts left. haha... She chose the dark.
I surfed around a bit trying to see the difference in the pigments in them. I did see one study but felt a language barrier as a lay person. However, it did seem to talk about the carotenes in the yellow.
Anyone know?
I've got a cherry/almond urge that I'm indulging... Twice, for family events, I've made a cherry pie with a layer of almond paste in there that went over REALLY BIG with everyone.
I don’t know about the difference in carotenes between red and yellow cherries. Dr. Garrett Smith includes them on the detox food list though. I’ve been eating them occasionally since being on the detox, but wondering if I should stop. One cup of cherries contains almost 2000 iu vitamin a. It seems like safe fruits are strawberries, blueberries, peeled apples, bananas, raspberries, grapes, lychees, cucumbers and zucchini. I’m not sure about pineapple. It’s low vitamin a but Dr. Smith says it’s not okay for some reason.
Intuitively, I want to just eat the cherry "jelly" and not the entire cherry (in pie filling). hahaha. but really.
Some foods like pineapple and zucchini contain low levels of provitamin A carotenoids but contain higher levels of carotenoids that don't convert into VA. These foods are not a problem and can be included on a low VA diet. It's only if someone had a specific sensitivity to these carotenoids that they might be a problem. Of course, we want to consume all fruits and vegetables in moderation.
Tim, I've been thinking about our discussion of carotenes the other day and decided that I was too easy on you, hahaha
I think over time you will realize that all the entire vitamin A family is suspect
There may be those of us with higher tolerances, just as there are people with higher tolerances for accutane.
It makes the whole thing confusing. But in general, I think over time you will realize these things are all inflammatory and best lazily avoided. You don't have to be crazy about it, I don't think. Our bodies have defenses. But why choke the system?
I think it factors into things like early aging...
Please re read what I wrote lilchick,
At no point have I said that high carotenoid foods are a good idea or non toxic or anything. You and JAJ seem to have missed my main point. I have discussed the fact that carotenoids in major trials are associated with cancer and heart disease, why would I be arguing for consuming high carotenoid foods? What I have clearly discussed is not that they are non toxic but that their toxicity is not primarily because of conversion to retinoids. They are toxic in their own right. Carotenoids like lutein and zeaxanthin do not have anything to do with retinoids yet are associated with toxic effects. Most or all carotenoids and their breakdown products likely have a range of toxic effects. All of the available evidence shows that carotenoids do not cause Hypervitaminosis A. Hypervitaminosis A occurs from consuming too much preformed Vit A, not from beta carotene. This does not mean that I advocate for beta carotene consumption on a low VA diet. We don't know how much effect beta carotene would have in slowing down VA depletion on a low VA diet and it is best to avoid it for other reasons. I will probably consume a low carotene diet for life after learning what I've learned.
Foods like pineapple, avocado and zucchini may have medium levels of non VA carotenoids but they aren't sky high in carotenoids like high beta carotene foods, I don't see them as an issue on a low VA diet. All whole plant foods are best consumed in conservative amounts because of the range of plant toxins they contain whether it be legumes, nuts, fungi, whole grains or vegetables. I agree though that some foods are best avoided, two good examples would be rhubarb and carrots. Carrots because of the amount of beta carotene without providing any great nutritive benefit.
You don't need to be easy on me, feel free to tear up my points but please make sure you first understand what they are first and as I said to JAJ please be specific and explain specifically where I'm wrong and why.
Yeah oxalates.
What color are your palms? Mine are almost red.
@tim-2 I don’t think I misunderstood you at all. I just didn’t agree with what you said. I perhaps didn’t explain very well as I had terrible brain fog that day & felt like my head was full of cotton wool! It doesn’t matter though as it all amounts to the same thing - we all agree that no one wants to overdo carotenoids 🥕