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Cherry Angioma

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Quote from dan on April 19, 2019, 6:10 pm

Soy lecithin is orangish yellow, which I found concerning.

"The color of soybean lecithin is due to carotenoids, brown pigments, and occasionally porphyrins. In the water-washing of crude oil xanthophylls are preferentially removed with the gums, and carotene is practically absent in lecithin. Lutein is the principal carotenoid, comprising about three-quarters of the carotenoids in lecithin. "
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02986416

"Color of soybean lecithin depends on processing and bleaching conditions. At our laboratory (11), we showed that xanthophylls are preferentially removed with the gums and that carotene remains with the oil. Lutein made up about 75% of the carotenoid pigments in the gums. These carotenoid pigments are largely destroyed by peroxide bleaching, leaving a variable amount of brown color with no characteristic absorption bands. Studies by Zuev et al. 02-14) have' confinned the fonnation of brown-colored substances as well as destruction of carotenoids by heating."
https://pubag.nal.usda.gov/pubag/downloadPDF.xhtml?id=26685&content=PDF

The sunflower lecithin (which may have helped me) was dark brown in color.

I bought some lecithin and it is yellow. Does that mean it has carrotenoids? Would heating it make them go away?

Quote from ggenereux on April 17, 2019, 1:13 pm

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Hi ZJ,

Here’s my best guess as to what might be going on.  Of course, this is mostly theoretical, so please apply your own good judgement to it.

There are studies showing that serum vitamin A levels actually increase when some people adopt a low vitamin A diet. Although that is completely counterintuitive, it is happening.Cherry Angioma

I think that happens because the flow direction into the liver is reversing, and / or the liver is starting to normalize its volume and is dumping more vitamin A into serum and bile. With that, I think it's this additional vitamin A (in the retinyl palmitate form) that is causing some people the serious "detox" reactions.

However, some people appear to handle this detox phase much better than others. It may be due to them having adequate detoxification enzymes (and a thousand other possible factors). I don’t know. Regardless, we need to find a reliable way for most people to avoid or minimize the consequences of the increased serum levels.

In some recent posts here, there’s a reference to a HHS (Health and Human Services) patent on a rescue agent from retinoid toxicity. I think that the listed compounds (sourced from foods) are a good starting point. Additionally, there this paper documenting the effects of lecithin, and that somewhat supports the reported effects of choline in the HHS patent.

The Effects of Soya Lecithin on the Absorption, Utilization and Storage of Vitamin a and Carotene in the white Rat

https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/36/3/391/4726328

The data indicate that lecithin enhances both the absorption and utilization of vitamin A and carotene. The choline fraction of the lecithin molecule is not responsible for this effect.

In the context of this study, they state that lecithin enhances the absorption from food. But, if a person is on a very low vitamin A diet, then I don’t see that being a concern. Conversely, I do think that substances such as lecithin are actually what we do need in this phase.

 

That’s because, ideally, we need to try to capture that newly releasing vitamin A in serum before it can do us more harm by getting into our tissues. Lecithin appears to be doing that in this study. As an extra counter measure, if a person were to take say 1/4 teaspoon of activated charcoal (mixed in water) first thing in the mornings, that might help capture some of the extra vitamin A that is released in bile during the day and help block it from getting reabsorbed too.

Of course, there are the other counter measures discussed here; such as zinc, vitamin C, and safe forms of vitamin E.

I wish I could offer more concrete information.

Grant

 

 

What are the "safe" forms of vitamin C?

Very interested to see this post as I became covered in cherry angiomas (well 30-40 appeared seemingly overnight) in 2017 after a very stressful episode when my Mum was in hospital. My GP could offer no explanation other than ‘they happen with age’ even though mine all appeared overnight. In 2018 I discovered I had vitamin A toxicity & also that Garrett Smith calls stress ‘an agitator’ i.e. it increases the dumping of vitamin A. Therefore, I have thought that my cherry angiomas are to do with vitamin A dumping. This seems to fit with the situation described here. Not that this helps get rid of them but I like to understand what is happening!

I have had one or two of these for a long time and also since starting the low vitamin A diet have had several more pop up on my body.  I am pretty concerned with it as well.

In this youtube video someone cauterizes them at home with a hot paper clip!  hahahaha  OMG  Actually it looks strangely not that bad.  ?

Tiny cappilaries...

I think that my tiny capillaries are affected by my a-toxicity, resulting in rosacea and raynauds and spider veins.   (and perhaps my inner ear problems and vascularities in the eyes, etc)

Are the tiny capillaries busting a gasket due to detox?  boom?

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