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Conventional beef vs grassfed beef
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Jiří on May 29, 2021, 11:24 pm
Guys relax. Nobody will get vit A toxicity from eating beef, fatty beef. Iron overload is much more bigger problem in terms of eating a lot of beef(red meat).. I get it if someone is really toxic from taking accutane, retinol supplements, history of paleo, vegan diet full of egg yolks, liver, dairy, carrots, sweet potatoes etc.. You need to do low A diet for 1-2 years for sure. But after that or if you didn't have toxicity just keep in mind vit A can be a problem so it's probably not a good idea to eat high vit A foods daily and for sure not taking vit A supplements. But that's it. That's how far it should go, because it's not healthy to see behind every problem vit A when there is another xx different things that are problematic in our diet..
Guys relax. Nobody will get vit A toxicity from eating beef, fatty beef. Iron overload is much more bigger problem in terms of eating a lot of beef(red meat).. I get it if someone is really toxic from taking accutane, retinol supplements, history of paleo, vegan diet full of egg yolks, liver, dairy, carrots, sweet potatoes etc.. You need to do low A diet for 1-2 years for sure. But after that or if you didn't have toxicity just keep in mind vit A can be a problem so it's probably not a good idea to eat high vit A foods daily and for sure not taking vit A supplements. But that's it. That's how far it should go, because it's not healthy to see behind every problem vit A when there is another xx different things that are problematic in our diet..
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Jiří on May 29, 2021, 11:24 pm
Guys relax. Nobody will get vit A toxicity from eating beef, fatty beef.
That is not true for grass fed beef if you look at the retinol levels in Table 5 of the Chinese study. Green grass is just like the colorful (including dark green) vegetables in the produce section of the grocery store.
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Jiří on May 29, 2021, 11:24 pm
Guys relax. Nobody will get vit A toxicity from eating beef, fatty beef.
That is not true for grass fed beef if you look at the retinol levels in Table 5 of the Chinese study. Green grass is just like the colorful (including dark green) vegetables in the produce section of the grocery store.
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lil chick on May 30, 2021, 7:11 am
Thanks. Without any direct evidence, I suspect these commercial New England beef cattle farmers/ranchers are cow-calf operations that sell their calves at six to nine months to stockers in the midwest, southeast and west.
It is slightly opposite. Meat is finished around here and the abattoir really likes to stock that first in their store, they have told me. Some of the farmers sell their meat direct in their farm stands instead of it being sold at the abattoir store. People glom onto local organic farmers and some even have wait lists. Not enough beef is grown here to keep the abattoir in business, so the abattoir makes up the difference by bringing in beef from non-local big producers. Moving cattle around is expensive, and so this makes sense.
Supporting a local abattoir is just as important as supporting a local farmer, btw! They do an important job. And gosh they really give you their best when you can and order direct. Nothing like a rib eye from the abattoir cut to order, or a christmas prime rib.
Thanks. Without any direct evidence, I suspect these commercial New England beef cattle farmers/ranchers are cow-calf operations that sell their calves at six to nine months to stockers in the midwest, southeast and west.
It is slightly opposite. Meat is finished around here and the abattoir really likes to stock that first in their store, they have told me. Some of the farmers sell their meat direct in their farm stands instead of it being sold at the abattoir store. People glom onto local organic farmers and some even have wait lists. Not enough beef is grown here to keep the abattoir in business, so the abattoir makes up the difference by bringing in beef from non-local big producers. Moving cattle around is expensive, and so this makes sense.
Supporting a local abattoir is just as important as supporting a local farmer, btw! They do an important job. And gosh they really give you their best when you can and order direct. Nothing like a rib eye from the abattoir cut to order, or a christmas prime rib.
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Thor on May 30, 2021, 7:18 am
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
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lil chick on May 30, 2021, 7:21 am
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Thor on May 30, 2021, 7:18 am
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
My cats ended up turning their nose up at the grass-based 20% fat ground beef that I was buying in blister packs. At the time I think they were going through sticky-bowel (fiber need?) thing?
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Thor on May 30, 2021, 7:18 am
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
My cats ended up turning their nose up at the grass-based 20% fat ground beef that I was buying in blister packs. At the time I think they were going through sticky-bowel (fiber need?) thing?
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Thor on May 30, 2021, 7:18 am
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
Hah, I just had my first meal with grain fed beef in many years and I did not like the taste and feel kind of icky. I will stick with it and not go by taste, though.
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Thor on May 30, 2021, 7:18 am
I learned the hard way not to overthink and not to trust any health advice or studies and just go with my taste buds at this points and grain fed definitely tastest better to me and small kids
Hah, I just had my first meal with grain fed beef in many years and I did not like the taste and feel kind of icky. I will stick with it and not go by taste, though.
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lil chick on May 30, 2021, 7:21 am
My cats ended up turning their nose up at the grass based ground beef that I was buying in blister packs. I think they were going through the mysterious sticky bowel thing that can happen when the diet doesn't have enough fiber? ???
Cats can probably see ultraviolet light and vitamin A (retinol) fluoresces in ultraviolet light, I believe. I think the idea that animals might avoid vitamin A throughout this mechanism was on Garrett Smith's site somewhere.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/color-my-world-cats-dogs-may-see-ultraviolet-n33261
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lil chick on May 30, 2021, 7:21 am
My cats ended up turning their nose up at the grass based ground beef that I was buying in blister packs. I think they were going through the mysterious sticky bowel thing that can happen when the diet doesn't have enough fiber? ???
Cats can probably see ultraviolet light and vitamin A (retinol) fluoresces in ultraviolet light, I believe. I think the idea that animals might avoid vitamin A throughout this mechanism was on Garrett Smith's site somewhere.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/color-my-world-cats-dogs-may-see-ultraviolet-n33261
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tim on May 30, 2021, 7:34 am
I have hunted and butchered wild pigs and from memory the fat was always white. I think you'll find the same with venison too.
Grass growing on unfarmed plains is not usually lush and green, there is usually a lot of dry matter.
In the horse world it's widely known not to let horses gorge on fresh green grass, in the wild they eat a lot more dry grass and roughage. It's thought that green grass causes hoof problems due to causing insulin resistance.
What is the actual carotenoid content of yellow fat?
I have hunted and butchered wild pigs and from memory the fat was always white. I think you'll find the same with venison too.
Grass growing on unfarmed plains is not usually lush and green, there is usually a lot of dry matter.
In the horse world it's widely known not to let horses gorge on fresh green grass, in the wild they eat a lot more dry grass and roughage. It's thought that green grass causes hoof problems due to causing insulin resistance.
What is the actual carotenoid content of yellow fat?
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lil chick on May 30, 2021, 7:34 am
I have noticed a big difference when it comes to cleanup. The fats are different, and free range is harder to clean up than typical beef.
I do have this pet theory that fat+pigment in it is akin to something you'd use to finish a floor. (thus the sticky bowel?)
I done a lot of dishes in my life, LOL. Old school by hand, LOL. I've tried to clean mountains of plastic ware permanently ruined by greasy tomato sauce.
I have noticed a big difference when it comes to cleanup. The fats are different, and free range is harder to clean up than typical beef.
I do have this pet theory that fat+pigment in it is akin to something you'd use to finish a floor. (thus the sticky bowel?)
I done a lot of dishes in my life, LOL. Old school by hand, LOL. I've tried to clean mountains of plastic ware permanently ruined by greasy tomato sauce.
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tim on May 30, 2021, 7:34 am
Grass growing on unfarmed plains is not usually lush and green, there is usually a lot of dry matter.
Insightful. This might be the root of one of our problems with grass fed beef/lamb/goat/bison/water buffalo. A grass fed farm might organize itself around having green grass for as much of the year as possible, which will dramatically up the beta carotene content of what the cattle eat compared to land that is not managed to emphasize green grass. Grass fed producers market their meat as coming from farms with lush grass and healthy soils, which is great for them but might cause vitamin A toxicity if you eat mainly grass fed meat.
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tim on May 30, 2021, 7:34 am
Grass growing on unfarmed plains is not usually lush and green, there is usually a lot of dry matter.
Insightful. This might be the root of one of our problems with grass fed beef/lamb/goat/bison/water buffalo. A grass fed farm might organize itself around having green grass for as much of the year as possible, which will dramatically up the beta carotene content of what the cattle eat compared to land that is not managed to emphasize green grass. Grass fed producers market their meat as coming from farms with lush grass and healthy soils, which is great for them but might cause vitamin A toxicity if you eat mainly grass fed meat.
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