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Depression/anxiety experiences?

Thanks guest.. yes, I'm certainly experiencing this. I can't function and the depression is quite extreme. If it doesn't lift soon I'm not quite sure how I'll continue.

thanks for responding

@lindsey What's your diet like? There might be something that can be modified to help with symptoms.

So I basically eat; porridge, bananas, beef/lamb, potatoes/rice, cauliflower, parsnips, I have been eating bread occasionally, beans and lentils, and ghee or olive oil. I've been also having Chaga mushroom tea and also roast dandelion root (which I reckon is no A as the root is white like a parsnip).

i initially tried to do it grant style, but couldn't cope so had to start adding in low A things too.

Quote from Lindsey on February 14, 2019, 12:38 pm

So I basically eat; porridge, bananas, beef/lamb, potatoes/rice, cauliflower, parsnips, I have been eating bread occasionally, beans and lentils, and ghee or olive oil. I've been also having Chaga mushroom tea and also roast dandelion root (which I reckon is no A as the root is white like a parsnip).

i initially tried to do it grant style, but couldn't cope so had to start adding in low A things too.

Try adding in vitamin C. I find it gives a definite mood lifting effect.

Yes I've had some difficult depression/anxiety including strong suicidal thoughts, including in the last few weeks.  It appears the biggest problems happen with the chain reaction of:

1) if I get Vitamin A exposure through sunlight or certain foods

2) and I eat a fair bit despite throat-fullness/gut-fullness/low-appetite

3) and I don't drink much water

4) and I sleep especially poorly

5) and the next morning I try to work despite my body freaking out

500mg tryptophan at night helps me recover from depression with suicidal ideation quickly, within one or two nights.  Without tryptophan, historically I do not necessarily recover for weeks.

I am bringing this thread back to life to check if anyone else, now almost 3 months after this thread was created, has experienced any improvements on their mental health?

I've had anxiety mostly, occasionally depression for the last 3 years. Thought it was all due to PTSD and going to therapy for it. I've actually felt a lot better since finishing therapy. But as of starting the Vitamin A detox (this is my 3rd week) I had crazy mood swings where I get extreme anxiety, or extremely upset about things that would not normally upset me, or just depressed. It passes, and never is around for more than maybe 10 minutes  to and hour but it's so extreme it's hard to handle, esp multiple days in a row. I ran out of vitamin C two days ago and my mood swing today was the worst. It will be non-stop crying for 10 minutes. I had some leftover vitamin C powder in my capsule maker and was able to take about 3,000mg, and it immediately helped my mood, although now I just feel mildly depressed/unenthused/unmotivated. I am having abdominal spasms/cramping, so that could obviously make an impact on my mood, but I think Vitamin C for me at least is a super protectant against the mental effects of Vitamin A circulating during the detox. I was trying to take 10,000mg-20,000mg a day in the first two weeks and mentally felt better, no breakdown/crying spells. I also have noticed that butter and chicken cause an anxiety attack within an hour or two, so I haven't been eating those. I notice significant improvement in mood when I do a bentonite clay bath. Another thing I ran out of today.

Would love to head if anyone else has found relief for anxiety/depression/mood swings.

Let me preface that I'm only 3 weeks in, so this post might be more about managing and analyzing the issues, I can't speak about success yet.

I have been having a "cold pit of the stomach" which some might interpret as "anxiety" but I blame it on the problems with my inner ear (possible Menier's disease starting) (yet another disease that leaves the scientists BAFFLED) and have high hopes that the diet will eventually straighten it out.  It DOES seem to be "flaring up".  It's similar to a very slight version of the falling feeling you get on an amusement ride.  When I get this feeling sometimes I do have to use some "self hypnosis", a simple mantra helps me such as "I'm FINE".

In the past,  I've also found that proper breathing techniques can be helpful.  I'm sure those of us with nasal problems like dry, cracking passages might have some interference with normal breathing.  There is an interesting book "Shut Your Mouth" which I haven't read lol but even just the title tells you a lot about the subject.

Then of course, my mind goes to blood sugar/pancreas which could fit the bill with Vitamin A tox.   Blood sugar issues can be bizarre.   Hubs checks his blood sugar sometimes with the home kit.    High is a chronic problem, but Low can be an acute problem.

Should we be surprised if we feel out of sorts?

I'm super hopeful that we are on a good path though.

There are loads of ways to generate feel-good hormones (that don't have anything to do with food), I try to do several of them each day.  Making people smile,  cuddling, sunshine, a daily accomplishment or two etc.

After four months on an extreme low A diet, I've continued to have depression and anxiety that I'm recently having success addressing with other models/theories.  Namely:

  • Annie Hopper's "overactive limbic system" theory
  • outthinkingparkinsons.com and polyvagal theory's explanation of an freeze/faint response and other dysautonomia -- see my resistant starch thread

I've had intermittent depression/anxiety since childhood, but my food reactions and suicidal ideation only started in 2016, so I suspect Vitamin A might be relevant to the latter not the former.

So.. I didn't last too long on the low vit A diet because I couldn't handle the side effects that I described above.

What I did do though was go carnivore about 6 weeks ago. No anxiety, no depression.. a little bit of feeling rubbish in the first week, but definitely improvements all round. I'm still in the adaption phase and is very early days.. but my symptoms have improved so much, and I have days where I have felt amazing, I'm feeling I'll be doing this for life.

I came to this very reluctantly.. as an organic smallholder my favourite thing is producing our own food.. now I'm looking for new ways to do this involving meat.

I've definitely lost weight (though not weighed because I want to focus on healing). I sleep better, my PMS has gone, mood swings dramatically reduced, skin looks and feels amazing, consistent energy throughout the day not such dramatic peaks and troughs.. anemia isn't quite sorted yet, but it is early days and I have read so many testimonials of people who's anemia has gone after years of supplementation. So I'm hopeful that this will sort itself out too..

I definitely think that vit A is toxic and don't plan on eating liver.. I just think it goes a bit deeper than we think and that plants can be very toxic to some people. I just want to be able to function, for the sake of my children.