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Do any of you know the Liver King?
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Jessica2 on August 21, 2024, 7:50 am
Dr Berry is very fair skinned and has reddish colored hair. I believe that's probably his issue. Some people naturally just do have a reddish tint to their skin especially if they're very fair skinned and even more so if they go out in the sun. I don't think we need to attribute disease to any skin hue that deviates from "normal", which is what anyways?
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot. I wasn't speaking about just having fair skin that is sensitive. My husband also has nordic ancestry very fair skinned doesn't tan at all, just goes red. And the redness in his ears and neck is gone even after mowing the lawn.
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Jessica2 on August 21, 2024, 7:50 am
Dr Berry is very fair skinned and has reddish colored hair. I believe that's probably his issue. Some people naturally just do have a reddish tint to their skin especially if they're very fair skinned and even more so if they go out in the sun. I don't think we need to attribute disease to any skin hue that deviates from "normal", which is what anyways?
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot. I wasn't speaking about just having fair skin that is sensitive. My husband also has nordic ancestry very fair skinned doesn't tan at all, just goes red. And the redness in his ears and neck is gone even after mowing the lawn.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:05 am
My husband had a redness to his face/neck/ear area when he was very low in T and insulin resistant and had high blood pressure. The redness is gone now that he is on carnivore on beef, chicken, pork. So... I do wonder about Dr Ken Berry and why his face is so red.
I've noticed that about Dr. Ken Berry too. One of my liver symptoms in the years leading up to my body going haywire, which I'm sure is a liver/vitamin A thing, was that I was having this red face thing also. My face would flush and I would get red and it was really uncomfortable. Going on TRT at the end of 2018 was what I believed put me over the edge. In Chinese medicine they recognize that this facial flushing and redness as a liver pattern. They specifically call it a 'liver fire rising' pattern. I've been low-A and generally following Dr. Smith's detox system for the past 3.5 years and I no longer have the red face thing.
My husband had a redness to his face/neck/ear area when he was very low in T and insulin resistant and had high blood pressure. The redness is gone now that he is on carnivore on beef, chicken, pork. So... I do wonder about Dr Ken Berry and why his face is so red.
I've noticed that about Dr. Ken Berry too. One of my liver symptoms in the years leading up to my body going haywire, which I'm sure is a liver/vitamin A thing, was that I was having this red face thing also. My face would flush and I would get red and it was really uncomfortable. Going on TRT at the end of 2018 was what I believed put me over the edge. In Chinese medicine they recognize that this facial flushing and redness as a liver pattern. They specifically call it a 'liver fire rising' pattern. I've been low-A and generally following Dr. Smith's detox system for the past 3.5 years and I no longer have the red face thing.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:09 am
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot.
TRT has a very well known side effect that it can raise hemaglobin and hematocrit making the blood 'thick'. One of the signs of that is redness. I had it, and it affects the vascular system because it raised blood pressure quite a lot as the body has to work harder to push this thick blood around. But I also think the redness is a liver thing, I had bouts of facial flushing and redness in the 5 years leading up to my body going all out haywire in 2020.
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot.
TRT has a very well known side effect that it can raise hemaglobin and hematocrit making the blood 'thick'. One of the signs of that is redness. I had it, and it affects the vascular system because it raised blood pressure quite a lot as the body has to work harder to push this thick blood around. But I also think the redness is a liver thing, I had bouts of facial flushing and redness in the 5 years leading up to my body going all out haywire in 2020.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:13 am
Also, if you look at Joe Rogan, you see the same thing. He openly talked about being on TRT, and he often looks red.
Also, if you look at Joe Rogan, you see the same thing. He openly talked about being on TRT, and he often looks red.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:09 am
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot.
TRT has a very well known side effect that it can raise hemaglobin and hematocrit making the blood 'thick'. One of the signs of that is redness. I had it, and it affects the vascular system because it raised blood pressure quite a lot as the body has to work harder to push this thick blood around. But I also think the redness is a liver thing, I had bouts of facial flushing and redness in the 5 years leading up to my body going all out haywire in 2020.
Yes that makes sense, I forgot it's also liver heat. I can cause liver heat by eating certain spices, cinnamon can cause my ear lobe to turn bright fire red. But my husband's lobes were always red, he was on his way to diabetes, stroke and heart disease.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:09 am
My point was it can be a sign of vascular problems, especially if the ears are red a lot.
TRT has a very well known side effect that it can raise hemaglobin and hematocrit making the blood 'thick'. One of the signs of that is redness. I had it, and it affects the vascular system because it raised blood pressure quite a lot as the body has to work harder to push this thick blood around. But I also think the redness is a liver thing, I had bouts of facial flushing and redness in the 5 years leading up to my body going all out haywire in 2020.
Yes that makes sense, I forgot it's also liver heat. I can cause liver heat by eating certain spices, cinnamon can cause my ear lobe to turn bright fire red. But my husband's lobes were always red, he was on his way to diabetes, stroke and heart disease.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:22 am
The redness thing for someone with liver issues and/or TRT will be a persistent thing regardless of sun exposure. I personally think that over time the TRT compromises the liver. If you watch videos of liver king, it doesn't matter where he is, he looks red. His liver is compromised in my opinion and the exogenous hormones are propping him up. So with hormone replacement it's a combination of messed up stressed liver and the 'thick blood' thing.
Also, if you look at a lot of older people, this seems especially something with older men, they often look red and inflamed. I'm betting this is the liver being messed up from a lifetime of liver toxic diet that the mainstream medical system doesn't see. If you go into a doctor they'll measure liver enzymes and if they're in what's considered a normal range they say you have no liver issues. But I think that's wrong. There are other indicators and I think this inflamed red thing is one of them.
The redness thing for someone with liver issues and/or TRT will be a persistent thing regardless of sun exposure. I personally think that over time the TRT compromises the liver. If you watch videos of liver king, it doesn't matter where he is, he looks red. His liver is compromised in my opinion and the exogenous hormones are propping him up. So with hormone replacement it's a combination of messed up stressed liver and the 'thick blood' thing.
Also, if you look at a lot of older people, this seems especially something with older men, they often look red and inflamed. I'm betting this is the liver being messed up from a lifetime of liver toxic diet that the mainstream medical system doesn't see. If you go into a doctor they'll measure liver enzymes and if they're in what's considered a normal range they say you have no liver issues. But I think that's wrong. There are other indicators and I think this inflamed red thing is one of them.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:26 am
Yes that makes sense, I forgot it's also liver heat. I can cause liver heat by eating certain spices, cinnamon can cause my ear lobe to turn bright fire red. But my husband's lobes were always red, he was on his way to diabetes, stroke and heart disease.
Yeah, in the time I've been following Dr. Smith's love your liver program, I've no longer had the red facial thing, with the exception of using niacin. I'll get some flushing for about an hour and it goes away. the LYL program hasn't solved all my issues, but I think it's on the right track, I no longer get the red face thing. And it was really uncomfortable because it wasn't just red face, it was this palpable heat, like my whole head and face were hot. I no longer get that.
Yes that makes sense, I forgot it's also liver heat. I can cause liver heat by eating certain spices, cinnamon can cause my ear lobe to turn bright fire red. But my husband's lobes were always red, he was on his way to diabetes, stroke and heart disease.
Yeah, in the time I've been following Dr. Smith's love your liver program, I've no longer had the red facial thing, with the exception of using niacin. I'll get some flushing for about an hour and it goes away. the LYL program hasn't solved all my issues, but I think it's on the right track, I no longer get the red face thing. And it was really uncomfortable because it wasn't just red face, it was this palpable heat, like my whole head and face were hot. I no longer get that.
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lil chick on August 21, 2024, 8:31 am
I'm not as red as I used to be. I'm extremely fair. An alcohol drink will bring back the flush.
Older people do seem to be in two camps: too red and too pale... LOL. Down the middle is probably a sign of health.
I'm not as red as I used to be. I'm extremely fair. An alcohol drink will bring back the flush.
Older people do seem to be in two camps: too red and too pale... LOL. Down the middle is probably a sign of health.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:40 am
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lil chick on August 21, 2024, 8:31 am
I'm not as red as I used to be. I'm extremely fair. An alcohol drink will bring back the flush.
Older people do seem to be in two camps: too red and too pale... LOL. Down the middle is probably a sign of health.
Yes, I agree. I'm gunna bet that both of these too red/too pale are associated with insufficient zinc too.
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lil chick on August 21, 2024, 8:31 am
I'm not as red as I used to be. I'm extremely fair. An alcohol drink will bring back the flush.
Older people do seem to be in two camps: too red and too pale... LOL. Down the middle is probably a sign of health.
Yes, I agree. I'm gunna bet that both of these too red/too pale are associated with insufficient zinc too.
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Chris on August 21, 2024, 8:50 am
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Jessica2 on August 21, 2024, 8:39 am
Ok, but let's not look for zebras when we have a horse standing in front of us. If someone is out in the sun A LOT, we can probably conclude with a fair amount of accuracy they are red from...being IN THE SUN A LOT. Especially if they are Caucasian. We don't know how often Ken Berry is in the sun, maybe a lot too.
Yeah, I think that's a fair point to make.
But, my sense is that, at least with liver king, it's not just too much sun. There's something deeper going on here, because steroids like TRT have this exact affect on people long term. Look at Joe Rogan as another example. If we say, 'well the TRT is giving him this grotesque body morphology, and the excessive amounts of vitamin A (and copper) from the liver he eats all the time are likely aging him rapidly, but the redness, well that's just being in the sun', it gives me pause as to whether being in the sun is the only or even likely answer here. I'm in the sun a lot and I don't look red like he does.
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Jessica2 on August 21, 2024, 8:39 am
Ok, but let's not look for zebras when we have a horse standing in front of us. If someone is out in the sun A LOT, we can probably conclude with a fair amount of accuracy they are red from...being IN THE SUN A LOT. Especially if they are Caucasian. We don't know how often Ken Berry is in the sun, maybe a lot too.
Yeah, I think that's a fair point to make.
But, my sense is that, at least with liver king, it's not just too much sun. There's something deeper going on here, because steroids like TRT have this exact affect on people long term. Look at Joe Rogan as another example. If we say, 'well the TRT is giving him this grotesque body morphology, and the excessive amounts of vitamin A (and copper) from the liver he eats all the time are likely aging him rapidly, but the redness, well that's just being in the sun', it gives me pause as to whether being in the sun is the only or even likely answer here. I'm in the sun a lot and I don't look red like he does.
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