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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
Quote from Luisa on December 21, 2022, 7:35 pmFiber is not necessary good for everyone. For people that has gut motility issues and bacterial overgrowth specially in the small intestine then fiber is deadly, my constipation and brain fog was at the worse when I was eating lots of beans and fiber, the healthier I ate the worse that it got, I used to think this was mostly due to oxalates but I now I think this was all related to the fiber and sibo.
Yeah, my digestive health really tanked when I was eating a lot of beans thinking all that soluble fiber was supposed to be good.
I’m curious to hear about others experiences with adding choline to their diet? Especially digestion wise, as mine is getting worse (alternating constipation and diarrhea, pale in color). I’m not having my usual detox symptom of headaches and yellow stools but do have increased copper dumping symptoms.
I have been following this thread with fascination, as we are also on year 3.5 of our vitamin A detox, with major enormous improvements but still some Stuckness. I recently have been experimenting with single B vitamin supplementation (noted elsewhere on this forum; first high dose thiamine, and then B12) for various family members.
Three weeks ago, we began eating 1.5-2 dozen eggs per day for our family of 7. One family member's earlier (three years ago) noted sensitivity to eggs (rash) is now gone. Everyone else is doing fine with them. I have really just not been wanting hamburgers lately, and eggs feel REALLY good for breakfast (where before our detox, I couldn't stand the sight of eggs anymore).
I am temporarily stopping my B12 supplementation during this experiment; I'd like the acne that developed with it to GO AWAY, but I would like to keep the improvements in my varicose veins and thicker hair growth! 🙂 I'll report back soon. Thanks for all the N=1, everybody. It helps so much to not feel completely alone and completely crazy in this fragmenting and crazy world! 🙂
Oops, meant to say that this was very interesting to me, because I have been hoping the B12 would help my gums, but now I wonder if choline will also - or instead of supplementing B12...
"...The methyl (-CH3) donor choline and the methyl carriers folate and vitamin B12 (cobalamin) all contribute to the metabolic conversion (or methylation) of homocysteine to methionine. Methyl-folate can methylate homocysteine only by transferring its methyl group to vitamin B12 (now called methylcobalamin). If there isn't adequate B12 in the cells, then folate can't do its job and conversion of homocysteine to methionine will rely more on choline. Similarly, if there is insufficient choline available, the reaction will rely more on folate and B12. In other words, there is a reciprocal inter-dependance between these three essential nutrients of the methionine pathway. This is also the reason that the build up in blood of homocysteine is an accurate indication of deficiency of choline, folate and B12, or all three..."
I've been wondering for years now, whether having five tongue- and lip-tied children (with some other minor midline issues) could ever be traced to a "cause" that could be undone (well, not for them, but in the future, for other children of moms with issues similar to mine, and for the grandchildren I hope to have someday). The last 3.5 years has made me feel certain that we're on the right track, anyway.
Quote from Jiří on December 24, 2022, 2:38 am@chris-4 are you sure that your problems with beans are just from fiber? If that is the case you should have the same issues with apples and other fruits? Beans are loaded with antinutrients..
No, I get similar issues if I try and do a lot of fiber from multiple sources, beans were just the worst of them. If I eat apples, I tend to get similar detox symptoms. Either the fiber is provoking detox or my body just doesn't like a lot of fiber. But I do eat bananas which have a bit of soluble fiber.
Quote from Chris on December 29, 2022, 10:21 amQuote from Jiří on December 24, 2022, 2:38 am@chris-4 are you sure that your problems with beans are just from fiber? If that is the case you should have the same issues with apples and other fruits? Beans are loaded with antinutrients..
No, I get similar issues if I try and do a lot of fiber from multiple sources, beans were just the worst of them. If I eat apples, I tend to get similar detox symptoms. Either the fiber is provoking detox or my body just doesn't like a lot of fiber. But I do eat bananas which have a bit of soluble fiber.
Banana/plantain flour is one of the major ingredients in my fiber mix. So maybe it is something other than the fiber that is causing the problem. One easy test; get some sunfiber and take a scoop. It is the refined fiber from the carob bean. Your response to that will give the answer because it takes out any confounding factors. Although professor Wilbur advised with any fiber source, start off at a teaspoon a day, and increase by a teaspoon as your body handles it well.
Sunfiber is low fodmap, I can handle sunfiber but not high fodmap fibers.
Choline in egg phospholipids 4 times better absorbed than choline bitartrate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893749/
Similar results in another study versus choline chloride.
https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/0026-0495(78)90139-7/pdf