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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
Quote from Jiří on January 18, 2023, 1:17 am@chris-4 interesting. What detox symptoms you have? I take 2 x 500mg TMG capsules, 1 tsp of sunflower lecithin and I eat like 70g(weight before cooking) of quinoa and I don't feel any different... I also started taking methyl folate and some NAC...
Dr. Smith talks about the 'lactoferrin cold' when taking it and my symptoms are very consistent with what he describes, but I decided to pull back from it for a while (which is what he says to do) if it provokes too much detox. My symptoms are head and chest related, like having really strong allergies where you're head is all gunked up, I'm kind of dizzy and I feel pressure in my head, my eyes get bloodshot and raw, pressure in the head, vision becomes more blurry, I have this constant kind of sniffliness in my sinuses like I'm having a persistent low-level allergy to something. It's a weird set of things but he describes something similar in his video on the lactoferrin cold. He says he believes for some of us it's detoxing the brain and that seems to be my case. But it also gives me breathing issues, like I can't take a deep breath when my body pumps out too much bile. Eating too much soluble fiber provokes this also.
But I've realized that anything that pushes my body to release bile or push the detox tends now to produce these symptoms (taking too much zinc, or molybdenum, etc.), and eating eggs or taking betaine/TMG produce this detox also. So I'm trying to eat maybe 2 eggs a day or some days none at all.
Can you guys help me understand how too much soluble fiber push detox symptoms, because I thought the soluble fiber binds to the toxins and the they disappear out our butt hole, so how do they cause bad symptoms?
I am now adding quite a bit of beans to see what they do for me. And eggs too. But I do tend to overdo things... I just want to understand how soluble fiber can worsen things. I do get that lactoferrin could do that, because it makes more bile flow and then if there are no soluble fiber to bind it, then... But how can beans or psyllium husk do that? I do not understand...
@chris-4 I'm in the same boat as you when too much bile is coming out, esp. being unable to take deep breaths and feeling dizzy. Though I have never tried 'lactoferrin.' Betaine, I learned the hard way, does this for me, or just pushing to hard in general, so I cut back on sourdough bread, but I still have a tablespoon of quinoa with my meals, and now only a couple of slices of beet root (whole beet was too intense.) I am tolerating fats a lot better, even one spoon of raw kefir. The eggs I've managed to bump up to 2 a day now... it's been slow but my liver area IS feeling better. Small improvements, going slow with less.
Quote from Audrey on January 20, 2023, 3:25 am@chris-4 I'm in the same boat as you when too much bile is coming out, esp. being unable to take deep breaths and feeling dizzy. Though I have never tried 'lactoferrin.' Betaine, I learned the hard way, does this for me, or just pushing to hard in general, so I cut back on sourdough bread, but I still have a tablespoon of quinoa with my meals, and now only a couple of slices of beet root (whole beet was too intense.) I am tolerating fats a lot better, even one spoon of raw kefir. The eggs I've managed to bump up to 2 a day now... it's been slow but my liver area IS feeling better. Small improvements, going slow with less.
I had this yesterday, feeling light headed at work and weird, a tiny bit of the breathing thing too. I had a lot of soluble fiber the last days. Maybe it was from that. I also take lactoferrin but I have not had any much issues with that - have taken it for more than a half year already. Maybe I have to cut back on the soluble fiber. But I love the black beans. I could eat them all day long. Crazy! And I tried the psyllium goo.. had sips of that yesterday at work too, and it is soooo good! How can I love it so much, I wanted to drink the whole bottle! Really weird...
@inger It basically improves the activity of the detox enzymes by affecting the gut microbiome. Research published in Advances in Nutrition explains that the process by which fiber aids in liver detoxification is somewhat complex. It starts with fiber altering the gut microbiome which influences a variety of other responses (gastrointestinal and endocrine, for example) that ultimately impact the physiology and biochemistry of the liver.
https://www.liversupport.com/how-fiber-helps-your-liver/#references
The intent of this review is to summarize how DF alters the gut milieu to specifically affect intestinal, liver, and kidney functions and to discuss the potential local and systemic signaling networks that are involved.
Quote from Andrew B on January 20, 2023, 3:44 am@inger It basically improves the activity of the detox enzymes by affecting the gut microbiome. Research published in Advances in Nutrition explains that the process by which fiber aids in liver detoxification is somewhat complex. It starts with fiber altering the gut microbiome which influences a variety of other responses (gastrointestinal and endocrine, for example) that ultimately impact the physiology and biochemistry of the liver.
https://www.liversupport.com/how-fiber-helps-your-liver/#references
The intent of this review is to summarize how DF alters the gut milieu to specifically affect intestinal, liver, and kidney functions and to discuss the potential local and systemic signaling networks that are involved.
Thank you Andrew! That was eyeopening. So it is the gut microbiome. I will read more upon this 🙂
Dr. Smith went off on choline/phosphatidylcholine again on today's Friday podcast saying all it does is make the liver store toxins. Ugh.
He’s barked so far up the wrong tree imo. I have nothing to do with him anymore. Shame as he could have a really good program but he doesn’t imo.
Also, the liver is meant to store toxins. It’s how it maintains homeostasis and protects us from poisoning. This is not a bad thing, as Grant cleared up in his recent video.
Also choline is utterly essential to human health in many different ways. Nutrients don’t just do one thing!! Also, his diet isn’t low choline as he eats a lot of meat. Makes noooo sense.
I didn't know of Grant's recent video, where is it?
Quote from Jenny on January 20, 2023, 2:44 pmHe’s barked so far up the wrong tree imo. I have nothing to do with him anymore. Shame as he could have a really good program but he doesn’t imo.
Also, the liver is meant to store toxins. It’s how it maintains homeostasis and protects us from poisoning. This is not a bad thing, as Grant cleared up in his recent video.
Also choline is utterly essential to human health in many different ways. Nutrients don’t just do one thing!! Also, his diet isn’t low choline as he eats a lot of meat. Makes noooo sense.
Garrett has turned into a one trick pony.
His model leaves very little room for nuance and seems to have hit a brick wall. To him, practically everything that alleviates symptoms has to be due to storing compounds in the liver. He argued that anti-depressants work because they prevent bile from being released. Anti-depressants and most pharma drugs are hard on the liver in some degree but contributing any and all symptomatic improvements to bile storage is frankly lazy and counter to what we know.
If a compound increases ALDH, it is due to the compound upregulating said enzyme due to its toxic nature. But at the same time, anything that lowers ALDH is to be avoided because it slows it down. What if something lowers ALDH due to other mechanisms, like taking the load off of the liver or pushing it through a different detox pathway? I don't see how Garrett can have things both ways.
And yes, Garrett's diet is far from a low choline diet. He cherry picked some observational studies and made it gospel.