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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
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Alex on May 26, 2023, 2:38 pm
So I’ve been eating eggs since I’ve gotten back from Costa Rica and tolerate them now much better than before I went to Costa rica, currently I seem to have these random egg cravings where I’ll feel like eating 6-9 eggs in one go, I make 3 eggs at a time then I’ll keep feeling like making more. Then after I won’t feel like any eggs at all for days and days.
So I’ve been eating eggs since I’ve gotten back from Costa Rica and tolerate them now much better than before I went to Costa rica, currently I seem to have these random egg cravings where I’ll feel like eating 6-9 eggs in one go, I make 3 eggs at a time then I’ll keep feeling like making more. Then after I won’t feel like any eggs at all for days and days.
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Andrew B on June 9, 2023, 4:12 am
@michelle2 We have circled back to taurine a bit. It helps leakiness and improves bile flow. I'm eating turkey thigh joint and chicken thighs for taurine and I think it provides enough taurine for me. People seem to respond better to small amounts of food rather than supplementing. Perhaps that applies where eggs/choline came first.
@michelle2 We have circled back to taurine a bit. It helps leakiness and improves bile flow. I'm eating turkey thigh joint and chicken thighs for taurine and I think it provides enough taurine for me. People seem to respond better to small amounts of food rather than supplementing. Perhaps that applies where eggs/choline came first.
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lil chick on June 9, 2023, 4:48 am
Supplements are risky, herbs are risky, food is at least less risky haha
Supplements are risky, herbs are risky, food is at least less risky haha
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Andrew B on June 14, 2023, 1:18 am
It's been 14 months now on the higher eggs per day. I definitely had sluggish bile it seems. It's so great to have regular bowel movements without worrying if this or that food is going to affect it. I can eat anything now. My final test if you like is this medium curry powder with spices I previously couldnt digest well. Yesterday on some bland lentils I tried it twice and no problem. My plan of action is working very well. 1. Choline replenishment. 2. Cruciferous vegetables and other fibre foods increased. 3. Moderate fat increase to 70 grams per day (actually overshot to 99 grams). That's the brief version as part of balanced diet.
I'm at total maximum for me of high protein, high fibre and moderate fat and I'm coping with the strong detox. This is when the leakiness gets fixed at optimum bile flow with taurine, choline and betaine. Nearly 4 years now when it could have taken 2 years done properly and effectively. Be the change you want to see. All those thousands of hours researching are finally paying off. As if I would scupper it by eating eggs. The choline always wins.
It's been 14 months now on the higher eggs per day. I definitely had sluggish bile it seems. It's so great to have regular bowel movements without worrying if this or that food is going to affect it. I can eat anything now. My final test if you like is this medium curry powder with spices I previously couldnt digest well. Yesterday on some bland lentils I tried it twice and no problem. My plan of action is working very well. 1. Choline replenishment. 2. Cruciferous vegetables and other fibre foods increased. 3. Moderate fat increase to 70 grams per day (actually overshot to 99 grams). That's the brief version as part of balanced diet.
I'm at total maximum for me of high protein, high fibre and moderate fat and I'm coping with the strong detox. This is when the leakiness gets fixed at optimum bile flow with taurine, choline and betaine. Nearly 4 years now when it could have taken 2 years done properly and effectively. Be the change you want to see. All those thousands of hours researching are finally paying off. As if I would scupper it by eating eggs. The choline always wins.
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Hermes on June 14, 2023, 4:26 am
@andrew-b
This is an excellent health update. And you are achieving your goals with a completely different approach than Grant. I really wish you had done blood serum vitamin A tests over the course of your eggsperiment, so that we would have more evidence to support your firm stance on the health benefits of eggs. I know this somewhat invalidates your experience, as if to say that only hard data matters, but it would certainly help the egg camp to see that your blood levels actually dropped over time.
This is an excellent health update. And you are achieving your goals with a completely different approach than Grant. I really wish you had done blood serum vitamin A tests over the course of your eggsperiment, so that we would have more evidence to support your firm stance on the health benefits of eggs. I know this somewhat invalidates your experience, as if to say that only hard data matters, but it would certainly help the egg camp to see that your blood levels actually dropped over time.
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Andrew B on June 14, 2023, 5:11 am
@christian It may be a completely different approach than Grant but it's a very common liver detoxification approach. I've known about it from Xandria Williams' book Liver Detox Plan for over 20 years now. There's nothing unusual in what I'm doing. It's pretty basic stuff. Meri Arthur has used this approach with her clients. She has data and results. There's plenty of science validating my approach. I've never said I am doing a scientific experiment. That's for others to do in more controlled conditions.
Serum retinol doesnt mean a lot to me. You can get zero serum retinol by being choline deficient. Eat an egg and it jumps up again. My contention is not that I'm necessarily reducing serum retinol it's that this is improving my liver health and the symptoms alleviating indicate my liver is improving and reducing vitamin A stored. So I really want some measure or marker of liver vitamin A not serum retinol. I expect others to provide numbers for their liver stores if I do to prove their case because I dont believe their liver stores are completely reduced either 🙂
@christian It may be a completely different approach than Grant but it's a very common liver detoxification approach. I've known about it from Xandria Williams' book Liver Detox Plan for over 20 years now. There's nothing unusual in what I'm doing. It's pretty basic stuff. Meri Arthur has used this approach with her clients. She has data and results. There's plenty of science validating my approach. I've never said I am doing a scientific experiment. That's for others to do in more controlled conditions.
Serum retinol doesnt mean a lot to me. You can get zero serum retinol by being choline deficient. Eat an egg and it jumps up again. My contention is not that I'm necessarily reducing serum retinol it's that this is improving my liver health and the symptoms alleviating indicate my liver is improving and reducing vitamin A stored. So I really want some measure or marker of liver vitamin A not serum retinol. I expect others to provide numbers for their liver stores if I do to prove their case because I dont believe their liver stores are completely reduced either 🙂
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Hermes on June 14, 2023, 8:57 am
@andrew-b
Thanks for the clarification. Good point about the liver biopsy being the ultimate test to assess vitamin A stores. You mentioned a friend of yours whose retinol spiked after eating eggs. I was under the impression that vitamin A is best stored in the liver, so if the serum level goes up, that is not a bad thing per se? I'm a little confused here.
Thanks for the clarification. Good point about the liver biopsy being the ultimate test to assess vitamin A stores. You mentioned a friend of yours whose retinol spiked after eating eggs. I was under the impression that vitamin A is best stored in the liver, so if the serum level goes up, that is not a bad thing per se? I'm a little confused here.
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Andrew B on June 14, 2023, 9:12 am
@christian The important thing in all these discussions is whether a person is improving their health so zero serum retinol can be a good thing in excellent health. But my friend wasnt in excellent health. We dont entirely know why serum retinol went up but one theory would be with more choline coming in then more Vitamin A as retinoic acid can go in the bile with phosphatidylcholine hopefully to be taken out the body with some fibre. It's not retinol so why does serum retinol go up ? One explanation is that with better choline and acetylcholine the body then decides to take some of the strain and put retinol in the fat or hopefully in the lymphatic system for disposal through the spleen and kidneys. The lymphatic system benefiting from more acetylcholine and the kidneys benefiting from more choline and betaine. Serum retinol being understood as us detoxing retinol.
@christian The important thing in all these discussions is whether a person is improving their health so zero serum retinol can be a good thing in excellent health. But my friend wasnt in excellent health. We dont entirely know why serum retinol went up but one theory would be with more choline coming in then more Vitamin A as retinoic acid can go in the bile with phosphatidylcholine hopefully to be taken out the body with some fibre. It's not retinol so why does serum retinol go up ? One explanation is that with better choline and acetylcholine the body then decides to take some of the strain and put retinol in the fat or hopefully in the lymphatic system for disposal through the spleen and kidneys. The lymphatic system benefiting from more acetylcholine and the kidneys benefiting from more choline and betaine. Serum retinol being understood as us detoxing retinol.
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lil chick on June 14, 2023, 9:20 am
That is a good point @christian. haha I wonder if there is any technical way to know if you are VA toxic?
A person can look at what they ate before. In my case the shoe fits very well, because I was eating absurd amounts of VA. But for others who weren't I'm sure they still wonder.
You know, in the olden days diseases were diagnosed almost completely via symptoms. The symptoms I arrived with fit hypervitaminosis A well. I'm glad we keep logs.
I've heard it said that all of us searchers for nutrition solutions are peeling an onion. I think that I've reached a lower level of "my onion". That is an intuition sort of thing, I suppose.
That is a good point @christian. haha I wonder if there is any technical way to know if you are VA toxic?
A person can look at what they ate before. In my case the shoe fits very well, because I was eating absurd amounts of VA. But for others who weren't I'm sure they still wonder.
You know, in the olden days diseases were diagnosed almost completely via symptoms. The symptoms I arrived with fit hypervitaminosis A well. I'm glad we keep logs.
I've heard it said that all of us searchers for nutrition solutions are peeling an onion. I think that I've reached a lower level of "my onion". That is an intuition sort of thing, I suppose.
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Chris on June 16, 2023, 8:18 am
@andrew-b So I've been pulling back from eggs because they seem to be producing a very strong detox reaction in me. I know you mention this can happen early on. I'm still trying to figure out where my sweet spot is with their use. How long did you have a detox reaction from using them? It scares me because of Dr. S's constant 'eggs are going to kill you, it won't end well' fear mongering, that maybe I'm just being 'toxed' by the VitA in the eggs. But my sense is that it's actually a detox reaction, because I get the same 'lactoferrin cold' symptoms I get from taking lactoferrin, or activated charcoal for that matter, even eating apples (high in pectin) produces this detox reaction in me. I've come to believe that my body is producing too strong a bile production, which seems to be opposite what a lot of people have. I've been doing 2 to 4 eggs a day, taking a day off here and there. I'm going to try just 2 eggs every other or every 3rd day.
@andrew-b So I've been pulling back from eggs because they seem to be producing a very strong detox reaction in me. I know you mention this can happen early on. I'm still trying to figure out where my sweet spot is with their use. How long did you have a detox reaction from using them? It scares me because of Dr. S's constant 'eggs are going to kill you, it won't end well' fear mongering, that maybe I'm just being 'toxed' by the VitA in the eggs. But my sense is that it's actually a detox reaction, because I get the same 'lactoferrin cold' symptoms I get from taking lactoferrin, or activated charcoal for that matter, even eating apples (high in pectin) produces this detox reaction in me. I've come to believe that my body is producing too strong a bile production, which seems to be opposite what a lot of people have. I've been doing 2 to 4 eggs a day, taking a day off here and there. I'm going to try just 2 eggs every other or every 3rd day.
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