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lil chick on April 26, 2024, 7:29 am
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tim on April 25, 2024, 8:27 pm
@janelle525
Where did you read about under carboxylated osteocalcin?
I believe Chris Masterjohn, he always goes over all that technical stuff that I wouldn't understand otherwise.
Well, I believe he is a smart guy and a passionate searcher.... His mistakes (like believing in the wapf and fermented cod liver oil) parallel mine so there's that... These were very "expensive" mistakes in human suffering.
No one gets everything right though. I like him...
I guess I stopped reading him when I starting thinking there was no use to getting down into the molecular level to try to understand things. I'm not saying smart ideas won't come from it. I am probably wrong. I don't get everything right either.
Yeah I stopped following for a number of yrs because of the WAPF stuff, but I recently have been reading every new article he posts on his substack because it's way less WAPF-y than he used to be, more of deep dives on certain problems like iron overload or how to know if you are molybdenum deficient. He also did a huge deep dive on biotin. And he does prefer to get nutrients from food, so he's not the same as like a naturopath who recommends like 100 supplements per day. But yeah we don't need to know everything there is to know about a nutrient. I am leaning more and more to just eating a normal diet lol. Limiting processed foods, limiting bright colorful veggies our ancestors didn't even have access to, and not forcing myself to eat anything that tastes disgusting like liver!
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lil chick on April 26, 2024, 7:29 am
Quote from
tim on April 25, 2024, 8:27 pm
@janelle525
Where did you read about under carboxylated osteocalcin?
I believe Chris Masterjohn, he always goes over all that technical stuff that I wouldn't understand otherwise.
Well, I believe he is a smart guy and a passionate searcher.... His mistakes (like believing in the wapf and fermented cod liver oil) parallel mine so there's that... These were very "expensive" mistakes in human suffering.
No one gets everything right though. I like him...
I guess I stopped reading him when I starting thinking there was no use to getting down into the molecular level to try to understand things. I'm not saying smart ideas won't come from it. I am probably wrong. I don't get everything right either.
Yeah I stopped following for a number of yrs because of the WAPF stuff, but I recently have been reading every new article he posts on his substack because it's way less WAPF-y than he used to be, more of deep dives on certain problems like iron overload or how to know if you are molybdenum deficient. He also did a huge deep dive on biotin. And he does prefer to get nutrients from food, so he's not the same as like a naturopath who recommends like 100 supplements per day. But yeah we don't need to know everything there is to know about a nutrient. I am leaning more and more to just eating a normal diet lol. Limiting processed foods, limiting bright colorful veggies our ancestors didn't even have access to, and not forcing myself to eat anything that tastes disgusting like liver!
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tim on April 26, 2024, 7:36 am
@janelle525
That was a good list you came up with.
With healthy liver function it's possible that as long as choline is sufficient that increasing fructose and fat intake somewhat will not affect liver health that much.
Omega 6 (linoleic acid) probably lowers cholesterol in the same way that reducing fat intake lowers cholesterol, reduction of triglycerol export. Often the liver may metabolize it because it doesn't want to export it in VLDL due to its susceptibility to ROS. So it metabolizes it into ketones. Increased LA intake seems to reduce choline requirements but cause liver injury at the same time. Lard and other fats lower in LA increase choline requirements because they have the right fatty acids to be exported from the liver. In the context of choline deficiency they may cause pathogenesis, in the absence of choline deficiency they may be healthy. So when someone is choline deficient consuming more LA may initially appear to be beneficial even though it fundamentally isn't especially long term.
Thanks! Yeah I am not as concerned with fructose or fat when the liver is doing well. So if someone is eating fats like lard and has higher cholesterol, it may be okay? Or is it always better to reduce LDL and increase HDL? Or will these numbers get better the more choline someone has? Which actually come to think of it when I was doing WAPF style eating, loads of butter, pastured eggs, raw milk, beef, pork but not limiting starches my cholesterol was great! The metabolic typing practitioner I worked with at the time was like look at all that fat and cholesterol you eat and your numbers are great! Yeah but I didn't feel great, I was chronically fatigued and had bad digestion. Now my digestion and energy is better but my numbers aren't great. The calculation for how much cholesterol is in my tissues is still very high (total times LDL divide by HDL should be 300-500 mine is over 900). Ray Peat would say that's great you can take quite a lot of thyroid because it would convert to steroid hormones. It may be true I may just be hypothyroid now with that much cholesterol in my tissues.
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tim on April 26, 2024, 7:36 am
@janelle525
That was a good list you came up with.
With healthy liver function it's possible that as long as choline is sufficient that increasing fructose and fat intake somewhat will not affect liver health that much.
Omega 6 (linoleic acid) probably lowers cholesterol in the same way that reducing fat intake lowers cholesterol, reduction of triglycerol export. Often the liver may metabolize it because it doesn't want to export it in VLDL due to its susceptibility to ROS. So it metabolizes it into ketones. Increased LA intake seems to reduce choline requirements but cause liver injury at the same time. Lard and other fats lower in LA increase choline requirements because they have the right fatty acids to be exported from the liver. In the context of choline deficiency they may cause pathogenesis, in the absence of choline deficiency they may be healthy. So when someone is choline deficient consuming more LA may initially appear to be beneficial even though it fundamentally isn't especially long term.
Thanks! Yeah I am not as concerned with fructose or fat when the liver is doing well. So if someone is eating fats like lard and has higher cholesterol, it may be okay? Or is it always better to reduce LDL and increase HDL? Or will these numbers get better the more choline someone has? Which actually come to think of it when I was doing WAPF style eating, loads of butter, pastured eggs, raw milk, beef, pork but not limiting starches my cholesterol was great! The metabolic typing practitioner I worked with at the time was like look at all that fat and cholesterol you eat and your numbers are great! Yeah but I didn't feel great, I was chronically fatigued and had bad digestion. Now my digestion and energy is better but my numbers aren't great. The calculation for how much cholesterol is in my tissues is still very high (total times LDL divide by HDL should be 300-500 mine is over 900). Ray Peat would say that's great you can take quite a lot of thyroid because it would convert to steroid hormones. It may be true I may just be hypothyroid now with that much cholesterol in my tissues.
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tim on April 26, 2024, 8:42 am
@janelle525
LDL isn't directly measured, it's calculated.
Higher LDL from increased fat intake may not be a problem but it could also signal suboptimal liver health.
@janelle525
LDL isn't directly measured, it's calculated.
Higher LDL from increased fat intake may not be a problem but it could also signal suboptimal liver health.
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lil chick on April 26, 2024, 9:19 am
@sarabeth-matilsky
I was just surfing the inter webs and found this little tidbit that a person with hyper mobility said she benefits from: "pilates-like exercises to strengthen the muscles that support my spine and other physiotherapy". She got the exercises from a physical therapist.
This sort of rang true for me a little bit because my son has told me that daily exercises have fixed his lower back issues.
The poster said she can't skip it, or things just go back to the way they were.
Interestingly the person said she also suffers from some symptoms that we here would see as "VA toxicity".
@sarabeth-matilsky
I was just surfing the inter webs and found this little tidbit that a person with hyper mobility said she benefits from: "pilates-like exercises to strengthen the muscles that support my spine and other physiotherapy". She got the exercises from a physical therapist.
This sort of rang true for me a little bit because my son has told me that daily exercises have fixed his lower back issues.
The poster said she can't skip it, or things just go back to the way they were.
Interestingly the person said she also suffers from some symptoms that we here would see as "VA toxicity".
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Bella on April 26, 2024, 9:40 am
Thanks for the alert to this thread @janelle525.
I will give a (hopefully) short rundown of my experience fwiw. I’m diet agnostic and believe we all should eat the way we feel best eating and I have zero motive to influence anyone to eat the way I do. I also don’t think there’s one diet perfect/optimal for everyone all the time. Different ways of eating have been helpful for me at various times so I now appreciate that things can and sometimes do change. With that disclaimer out of the way I’ll share what I went through for anyone interested. 🙂
I ate the standard western diet until my early 40’s. I was always normal weight but ended up with CFS/ME at age 30 due to a body fluid exposure at work and being floxed post exposure from being on prolonged levaquin. In my early 40’s I got fed up with conventional medicine and went to a functional medicine doctor who told me to stop eating gluten and eat paleo. I had to go home and research both terms because I’d never heard of either one before. I literally felt better the next day from not eating gluten which is a shame really because it led me to put too much faith in what diet manipulation could do. I would have been better off if I’d gotten a proper celiac diagnosis from the start. My body composition was great on paleo but I developed new problems with my bowels, sleep and genitourinary tract. It turned out to be oxalates which was a result of being floxed but it took me close to 10 years to figure that out which was thanks to someone here. From paleo I moved on to Peat which helped initially because a predominately fruit and dairy diet is much lower oxalate than the spinach and nuts I was eating on paleo. I became obese within a year or two though probably from eating too much sugar and fat together and trying to deal with peri menopause using vitamin A!
In 2017 I had a major family crisis and unknowingly went low A for most of the year. I felt better and lost about 25 of the 75 pounds I had gained. Once things settled down and I went back to peat style eating (and supplements) I started feeling bad right away and all my old symptoms started coming back. I read Grant’s books in 2018 and realized I had eaten pretty close to his diet when I felt so good (despite all the stress) in 2017 so I went on mainly beef and rice for a several months. People here and on RPF were talking about other low A foods though so I started trying things like beans, dark chocolate ect and started having symptoms. I was so fed up that in 2019 I just went muscle meat carnivore. Covid hit in early 2020 and with my job as a respiratory therapist I didn’t have time to really think about my diet much. I did eat eggs and cheese sometimes when working long shifts at the hospital rather than not eat at all. I seemed to tolerate them okay. I continued to gradually lose the remaining 50 pounds slowly until 2022-2023 when I noticed I’d gained back 10 pounds. I always wanted to go back to eating a mixed diet so after reading a free book on my kindle last year called Big Fat Keto Lies I signed up for a data driven fasting course to lose the weight. I just figured it would be better to be proactive and not let the weight pile on again like it had before. What I learned in the course through monitoring my blood glucose was that I was over eating relative to my needs and specifically eating too much fat was preventing me from tapping into my own body fat. After that course I took a macros course and slowly increased my carbs and reduced my fat all while monitoring my blood glucose. I think a lot of my problem trying to get off carnivore was blood sugar related. It wasn’t easy but I’m glad I did it. I do have a couple genuine intolerances/sensitivities but most of my problems when trying to get off carnivore ended up being blood sugar related. I had to gradually and systematically retrain my body to use carbs again. The courses I took were through Optimizing Nutrition. They are diet agnostic as well. I highly recommend them to anyone who isn’t happy with their body composition really wants to learn about how to eat for their body (north someone else’s)!
Whew, sorry I wrote so much! I covered about 25 years.
Thanks for the alert to this thread @janelle525.
I will give a (hopefully) short rundown of my experience fwiw. I’m diet agnostic and believe we all should eat the way we feel best eating and I have zero motive to influence anyone to eat the way I do. I also don’t think there’s one diet perfect/optimal for everyone all the time. Different ways of eating have been helpful for me at various times so I now appreciate that things can and sometimes do change. With that disclaimer out of the way I’ll share what I went through for anyone interested. 🙂
I ate the standard western diet until my early 40’s. I was always normal weight but ended up with CFS/ME at age 30 due to a body fluid exposure at work and being floxed post exposure from being on prolonged levaquin. In my early 40’s I got fed up with conventional medicine and went to a functional medicine doctor who told me to stop eating gluten and eat paleo. I had to go home and research both terms because I’d never heard of either one before. I literally felt better the next day from not eating gluten which is a shame really because it led me to put too much faith in what diet manipulation could do. I would have been better off if I’d gotten a proper celiac diagnosis from the start. My body composition was great on paleo but I developed new problems with my bowels, sleep and genitourinary tract. It turned out to be oxalates which was a result of being floxed but it took me close to 10 years to figure that out which was thanks to someone here. From paleo I moved on to Peat which helped initially because a predominately fruit and dairy diet is much lower oxalate than the spinach and nuts I was eating on paleo. I became obese within a year or two though probably from eating too much sugar and fat together and trying to deal with peri menopause using vitamin A!
In 2017 I had a major family crisis and unknowingly went low A for most of the year. I felt better and lost about 25 of the 75 pounds I had gained. Once things settled down and I went back to peat style eating (and supplements) I started feeling bad right away and all my old symptoms started coming back. I read Grant’s books in 2018 and realized I had eaten pretty close to his diet when I felt so good (despite all the stress) in 2017 so I went on mainly beef and rice for a several months. People here and on RPF were talking about other low A foods though so I started trying things like beans, dark chocolate ect and started having symptoms. I was so fed up that in 2019 I just went muscle meat carnivore. Covid hit in early 2020 and with my job as a respiratory therapist I didn’t have time to really think about my diet much. I did eat eggs and cheese sometimes when working long shifts at the hospital rather than not eat at all. I seemed to tolerate them okay. I continued to gradually lose the remaining 50 pounds slowly until 2022-2023 when I noticed I’d gained back 10 pounds. I always wanted to go back to eating a mixed diet so after reading a free book on my kindle last year called Big Fat Keto Lies I signed up for a data driven fasting course to lose the weight. I just figured it would be better to be proactive and not let the weight pile on again like it had before. What I learned in the course through monitoring my blood glucose was that I was over eating relative to my needs and specifically eating too much fat was preventing me from tapping into my own body fat. After that course I took a macros course and slowly increased my carbs and reduced my fat all while monitoring my blood glucose. I think a lot of my problem trying to get off carnivore was blood sugar related. It wasn’t easy but I’m glad I did it. I do have a couple genuine intolerances/sensitivities but most of my problems when trying to get off carnivore ended up being blood sugar related. I had to gradually and systematically retrain my body to use carbs again. The courses I took were through Optimizing Nutrition. They are diet agnostic as well. I highly recommend them to anyone who isn’t happy with their body composition really wants to learn about how to eat for their body (north someone else’s)!
Whew, sorry I wrote so much! I covered about 25 years.
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Bella on April 26, 2024, 9:40 am
Thanks for the alert to this thread @janelle525.
I will give a (hopefully) short rundown of my experience fwiw. I’m diet agnostic and believe we all should eat the way we feel best eating and I have zero motive to influence anyone to eat the way I do. I also don’t think there’s one diet perfect/optimal for everyone all the time. Different ways of eating have been helpful for me at various times so I now appreciate that things can and sometimes do change. With that disclaimer out of the way I’ll share what I went through for anyone interested. 
I ate the standard western diet until my early 40’s. I was always normal weight but ended up with CFS/ME at age 30 due to a body fluid exposure at work and being floxed post exposure from being on prolonged levaquin. In my early 40’s I got fed up with conventional medicine and went to a functional medicine doctor who told me to stop eating gluten and eat paleo. I had to go home and research both terms because I’d never heard of either one before. I literally felt better the next day from not eating gluten which is a shame really because it led me to put too much faith in what diet manipulation could do. I would have been better off if I’d gotten a proper celiac diagnosis from the start. My body composition was great on paleo but I developed new problems with my bowels, sleep and genitourinary tract. It turned out to be oxalates which was a result of being floxed but it took me close to 10 years to figure that out which was thanks to someone here. From paleo I moved on to Peat which helped initially because a predominately fruit and dairy diet is much lower oxalate than the spinach and nuts I was eating on paleo. I became obese within a year or two though probably from eating too much sugar and fat together and trying to deal with peri menopause using vitamin A!
In 2017 I had a major family crisis and unknowingly went low A for most of the year. I felt better and lost about 25 of the 75 pounds I had gained. Once things settled down and I went back to peat style eating (and supplements) I started feeling bad right away and all my old symptoms started coming back. I read Grant’s books in 2018 and realized I had eaten pretty close to his diet when I felt so good (despite all the stress) in 2017 so I went on mainly beef and rice for a several months. People here and on RPF were talking about other low A foods though so I started trying things like beans, dark chocolate ect and started having symptoms. I was so fed up that in 2019 I just went muscle meat carnivore. Covid hit in early 2020 and with my job as a respiratory therapist I didn’t have time to really think about my diet much. I did eat eggs and cheese sometimes when working long shifts at the hospital rather than not eat at all. I seemed to tolerate them okay. I continued to gradually lose the remaining 50 pounds slowly until 2022-2023 when I noticed I’d gained back 10 pounds. I always wanted to go back to eating a mixed diet so after reading a free book on my kindle last year called Big Fat Keto Lies I signed up for a data driven fasting course to lose the weight. I just figured it would be better to be proactive and not let the weight pile on again like it had before. What I learned in the course through monitoring my blood glucose was that I was over eating relative to my needs and specifically eating too much fat was preventing me from tapping into my own body fat. After that course I took a macros course and slowly increased my carbs and reduced my fat all while monitoring my blood glucose. I think a lot of my problem trying to get off carnivore was blood sugar related. It wasn’t easy but I’m glad I did it. I do have a couple genuine intolerances/sensitivities but most of my problems when trying to get off carnivore ended up being blood sugar related. I had to gradually and systematically retrain my body to use carbs again. The courses I took were through Optimizing Nutrition. They are diet agnostic as well. I highly recommend them to anyone who isn’t happy with their body composition really wants to learn about how to eat for their body (north someone else’s)!
Whew, sorry I wrote so much! I covered about 25 years.
Thanks for sharing your story! I agree that someone not used to large amounts of carbs will need to retrain their body to use them again, and if not could result in massive weight gain. It isn't the carbs fault (or from vit A detox or something) it's just a body that isn't using them quite right.
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Bella on April 26, 2024, 9:40 am
Thanks for the alert to this thread @janelle525.
I will give a (hopefully) short rundown of my experience fwiw. I’m diet agnostic and believe we all should eat the way we feel best eating and I have zero motive to influence anyone to eat the way I do. I also don’t think there’s one diet perfect/optimal for everyone all the time. Different ways of eating have been helpful for me at various times so I now appreciate that things can and sometimes do change. With that disclaimer out of the way I’ll share what I went through for anyone interested.
I ate the standard western diet until my early 40’s. I was always normal weight but ended up with CFS/ME at age 30 due to a body fluid exposure at work and being floxed post exposure from being on prolonged levaquin. In my early 40’s I got fed up with conventional medicine and went to a functional medicine doctor who told me to stop eating gluten and eat paleo. I had to go home and research both terms because I’d never heard of either one before. I literally felt better the next day from not eating gluten which is a shame really because it led me to put too much faith in what diet manipulation could do. I would have been better off if I’d gotten a proper celiac diagnosis from the start. My body composition was great on paleo but I developed new problems with my bowels, sleep and genitourinary tract. It turned out to be oxalates which was a result of being floxed but it took me close to 10 years to figure that out which was thanks to someone here. From paleo I moved on to Peat which helped initially because a predominately fruit and dairy diet is much lower oxalate than the spinach and nuts I was eating on paleo. I became obese within a year or two though probably from eating too much sugar and fat together and trying to deal with peri menopause using vitamin A!
In 2017 I had a major family crisis and unknowingly went low A for most of the year. I felt better and lost about 25 of the 75 pounds I had gained. Once things settled down and I went back to peat style eating (and supplements) I started feeling bad right away and all my old symptoms started coming back. I read Grant’s books in 2018 and realized I had eaten pretty close to his diet when I felt so good (despite all the stress) in 2017 so I went on mainly beef and rice for a several months. People here and on RPF were talking about other low A foods though so I started trying things like beans, dark chocolate ect and started having symptoms. I was so fed up that in 2019 I just went muscle meat carnivore. Covid hit in early 2020 and with my job as a respiratory therapist I didn’t have time to really think about my diet much. I did eat eggs and cheese sometimes when working long shifts at the hospital rather than not eat at all. I seemed to tolerate them okay. I continued to gradually lose the remaining 50 pounds slowly until 2022-2023 when I noticed I’d gained back 10 pounds. I always wanted to go back to eating a mixed diet so after reading a free book on my kindle last year called Big Fat Keto Lies I signed up for a data driven fasting course to lose the weight. I just figured it would be better to be proactive and not let the weight pile on again like it had before. What I learned in the course through monitoring my blood glucose was that I was over eating relative to my needs and specifically eating too much fat was preventing me from tapping into my own body fat. After that course I took a macros course and slowly increased my carbs and reduced my fat all while monitoring my blood glucose. I think a lot of my problem trying to get off carnivore was blood sugar related. It wasn’t easy but I’m glad I did it. I do have a couple genuine intolerances/sensitivities but most of my problems when trying to get off carnivore ended up being blood sugar related. I had to gradually and systematically retrain my body to use carbs again. The courses I took were through Optimizing Nutrition. They are diet agnostic as well. I highly recommend them to anyone who isn’t happy with their body composition really wants to learn about how to eat for their body (north someone else’s)!
Whew, sorry I wrote so much! I covered about 25 years.
Thanks for sharing your story! I agree that someone not used to large amounts of carbs will need to retrain their body to use them again, and if not could result in massive weight gain. It isn't the carbs fault (or from vit A detox or something) it's just a body that isn't using them quite right.
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Bella on April 26, 2024, 2:45 pm
No ma’am. I just did it during the classes as I gradually increased my carbs. I am quite active nowadays as well and lift weights.
You mentioned “I was pretty depressed during this time” and I have had the same experience before from different carbs/starches. There are carnivore diet adherents that eat that way solely for the mental health benefits so it’s possible you may be in that boat. I had times coming off KetoAF that I was tempted to go back to carnivore and just eat leaner to manage the weight gain. It was a good 6 month long process for me with some rough mental health days here and there. I’m not saying any of this to discourage you in the least. I just wanted to be completely honest and not make it sound like a walk in the park. Best wishes with whatever you choose!
No ma’am. I just did it during the classes as I gradually increased my carbs. I am quite active nowadays as well and lift weights.
You mentioned “I was pretty depressed during this time” and I have had the same experience before from different carbs/starches. There are carnivore diet adherents that eat that way solely for the mental health benefits so it’s possible you may be in that boat. I had times coming off KetoAF that I was tempted to go back to carnivore and just eat leaner to manage the weight gain. It was a good 6 month long process for me with some rough mental health days here and there. I’m not saying any of this to discourage you in the least. I just wanted to be completely honest and not make it sound like a walk in the park. Best wishes with whatever you choose!
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Jessica2 on April 26, 2024, 1:44 pm
@janelle525 you don't think after almost 2 years eating carbs I should have adapted to them? That's the one thing I struggle with about it. I was pretty depressed during this time, maybe that had something to do with it. It seems enough time to achieve homeostasis with starch metabolism?
I do appreciate the advice @bella. Do you have to keep track of your blood sugars currently? There are carbs I want to add back like beans and potatoes and brown rice. I also think exercising with weights is key and I wasn't emphasizing that as much last time. I had a philosophy that I was tired and should rest more often than exercise but that was probably wrong in hindsight.
It's very possible your body never adjusted.
As an example, I had IBS since I was a kid, it's been better or worse at times depending on how many whole grains I was eating, if I was avoiding whole grains it got really bad and then I couldn't eat them at all. After the Ray Peat diet where I avoided all fiber except what was in a banana or two for at least 7 yrs I couldn't tolerate whole grains, nuts or beans at all. Not even acacia gum in a sports drink! I was drinking about 8 ounces per day one summer and I was having excruciatingly painful IBS every 5-6 days for two months until I figured out it was the acacia fiber. My body never adjusted and I don't think it would have even in a yr. I had to take steps to get to the point where I am now eating beans everyday and brown rice occasionally. I never thought it was possible for my body to adjust to it. I can't really say exactly what the 'protocol' is for IBS other than you have to get the bile less toxic and liver healthier.
You may need to monitor your blood glucose when you do decide to add back in carbs and it will have to be slowly. That is what I told my husband because if he just goes back to the same amount of carbs he was eating before he will probably regain all the weight.
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Jessica2 on April 26, 2024, 1:44 pm
@janelle525 you don't think after almost 2 years eating carbs I should have adapted to them? That's the one thing I struggle with about it. I was pretty depressed during this time, maybe that had something to do with it. It seems enough time to achieve homeostasis with starch metabolism?
I do appreciate the advice @bella. Do you have to keep track of your blood sugars currently? There are carbs I want to add back like beans and potatoes and brown rice. I also think exercising with weights is key and I wasn't emphasizing that as much last time. I had a philosophy that I was tired and should rest more often than exercise but that was probably wrong in hindsight.
It's very possible your body never adjusted.
As an example, I had IBS since I was a kid, it's been better or worse at times depending on how many whole grains I was eating, if I was avoiding whole grains it got really bad and then I couldn't eat them at all. After the Ray Peat diet where I avoided all fiber except what was in a banana or two for at least 7 yrs I couldn't tolerate whole grains, nuts or beans at all. Not even acacia gum in a sports drink! I was drinking about 8 ounces per day one summer and I was having excruciatingly painful IBS every 5-6 days for two months until I figured out it was the acacia fiber. My body never adjusted and I don't think it would have even in a yr. I had to take steps to get to the point where I am now eating beans everyday and brown rice occasionally. I never thought it was possible for my body to adjust to it. I can't really say exactly what the 'protocol' is for IBS other than you have to get the bile less toxic and liver healthier.
You may need to monitor your blood glucose when you do decide to add back in carbs and it will have to be slowly. That is what I told my husband because if he just goes back to the same amount of carbs he was eating before he will probably regain all the weight.
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Andrew B on May 12, 2024, 4:03 am
Choline and betaine were gamechangers for many of us. Improved bile flow, fat digestion and bowel movements. Some people were on low vitamin A for years and still constipated. Eggs helped them. 50:50 I'm a choline believer. Beans helpful too. How Amanda Ross cured her anxiety on a low vitamin A diet! (youtube.com)
Choline and betaine were gamechangers for many of us. Improved bile flow, fat digestion and bowel movements. Some people were on low vitamin A for years and still constipated. Eggs helped them. 50:50 I'm a choline believer. Beans helpful too. How Amanda Ross cured her anxiety on a low vitamin A diet! (youtube.com)
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Andrew B on May 12, 2024, 4:03 am
Choline and betaine were gamechangers for many of us. Improved bile flow, fat digestion and bowel movements. Some people were on low vitamin A for years and still constipated. Eggs helped them. 50:50 I'm a choline believer. Beans helpful too. How Amanda Ross cured her anxiety on a low vitamin A diet! (youtube.com)
How do you know they increased bile flow?
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Andrew B on May 12, 2024, 4:03 am
Choline and betaine were gamechangers for many of us. Improved bile flow, fat digestion and bowel movements. Some people were on low vitamin A for years and still constipated. Eggs helped them. 50:50 I'm a choline believer. Beans helpful too. How Amanda Ross cured her anxiety on a low vitamin A diet! (youtube.com)
How do you know they increased bile flow?
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