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PJ on May 31, 2023, 12:48 pm
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Henrik on May 30, 2023, 6:10 pm
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Jessica2 on May 30, 2023, 6:05 pm
I've devoted too much of my life to this idiotic diet that I never wanted to talk about in the 1st place because I saw the 1st time I read about this diet how extreme, faddish, and stupid it was. i'm done talking about it now. It proves nothing other than monotonous fad diets make you eat less.
Go ahead and tell me my opinions are shit and that i'm close minded because i'm done talking about it now. Now please with all sincerity have good night.
We dont need to discuss it I am serioudly tired about it myself and the only reason I ever invested any time in it was because it was crucial for Grant developing his theory. But its hard to accept that you claim it to be calorie deficient when a ton of published research papers say different. I have no idea why I would think anything about you or your opinion is shit. Last thing on my mind. I just quoted the papers and you refuse to accept what they say and I cant change that . Good night 
@henrik My intention is not to prolong this conversation, I am curious, though, what you mean by your statement about "it being crucial for Grant developing his theory" Are you referring to the Japanese POWs that subsisted on a cup of rice?
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Henrik on May 30, 2023, 6:10 pm
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Jessica2 on May 30, 2023, 6:05 pm
I've devoted too much of my life to this idiotic diet that I never wanted to talk about in the 1st place because I saw the 1st time I read about this diet how extreme, faddish, and stupid it was. i'm done talking about it now. It proves nothing other than monotonous fad diets make you eat less.
Go ahead and tell me my opinions are shit and that i'm close minded because i'm done talking about it now. Now please with all sincerity have good night.
We dont need to discuss it I am serioudly tired about it myself and the only reason I ever invested any time in it was because it was crucial for Grant developing his theory. But its hard to accept that you claim it to be calorie deficient when a ton of published research papers say different. I have no idea why I would think anything about you or your opinion is shit. Last thing on my mind. I just quoted the papers and you refuse to accept what they say and I cant change that . Good night
@henrik My intention is not to prolong this conversation, I am curious, though, what you mean by your statement about "it being crucial for Grant developing his theory" Are you referring to the Japanese POWs that subsisted on a cup of rice?
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 1:34 pm
I'm not sure if the Kempner diet was somehow an inspiration for Grant. As I understand it, he was looking for the foods with the least amount of vitamin A, so rice with zero is a good choice for his goal. The "prison food" is also a significant diversion: There's fiber and protein. It may be restrictive and bland, but it's certainly satiating and healthy (except for being rather low in calcium and vitamin K, and probably other vitamins as well). And it's practical in many ways, think bulk cooking. There is beauty in simplicity.
I'm not sure if the Kempner diet was somehow an inspiration for Grant. As I understand it, he was looking for the foods with the least amount of vitamin A, so rice with zero is a good choice for his goal. The "prison food" is also a significant diversion: There's fiber and protein. It may be restrictive and bland, but it's certainly satiating and healthy (except for being rather low in calcium and vitamin K, and probably other vitamins as well). And it's practical in many ways, think bulk cooking. There is beauty in simplicity.
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Henrik on May 31, 2023, 2:38 pm
@pattycake and @christian I base that on that he writes in his book and blogpost that he was looking at what was the common denominator between the carnivore diet and the Kempner diet and concluded that they both were very low in vitamin A. I don't remember exactly where but if you do a search on it in blog and book you will find it. I might of course have misinterpreted it but im basically understanding it as an important piece of figuring it out for him.
Edit: I was wrong about the books it seems -Â here is at least one blog about it: https://ggenereux.blog//?s=kempner&search=Go
@pattycake and @christian I base that on that he writes in his book and blogpost that he was looking at what was the common denominator between the carnivore diet and the Kempner diet and concluded that they both were very low in vitamin A. I don't remember exactly where but if you do a search on it in blog and book you will find it. I might of course have misinterpreted it but im basically understanding it as an important piece of figuring it out for him.
Edit: I was wrong about the books it seems -Â here is at least one blog about it: https://ggenereux.blog//?s=kempner&search=Go
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:44 pm
@henrik Interesting, I must have missed him comparing the two diets. Thanks for clarifying.
@henrik Interesting, I must have missed him comparing the two diets. Thanks for clarifying.
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:45 pm
@henrik By the way, how is your diet? Do you eat eggs?
@henrik By the way, how is your diet? Do you eat eggs?
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:48 pm
So it looks like neither the Kempner diet nor the carnivore diet was an inspiration for the diet he began to follow.
So it looks like neither the Kempner diet nor the carnivore diet was an inspiration for the diet he began to follow.
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Henrik on May 31, 2023, 2:51 pm
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:48 pm
So it looks like neither the Kempner diet nor the carnivore diet was an inspiration for the diet he began to follow.
Probably 🙂
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:48 pm
So it looks like neither the Kempner diet nor the carnivore diet was an inspiration for the diet he began to follow.
Probably 🙂
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Henrik on May 31, 2023, 2:57 pm
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:45 pm
@henrik By the way, how is your diet? Do you eat eggs?
Nah not anymore. I ate an egg or two a day the first 6 months on the diet along with a glass or two of orange jucie for the first couple of months - then they started to disagree with me and I did whites only for a little while, then completly dropped them and felt better. I got curious a litte while ago and tried one again but immediately felt really bad so it was a try once for now. Maybe if things heal up I can and will but not yet. I am a quite restrictive follower. I ended up now eating basically 4 foods only. Meat (lamb and beef), peeled white potatoes, white rice, some organic apples, salt and sugar suplemented as needed. Nothing else on a daily basis. And I drink only water. Sometimes I might do some cauliflower, white cabbage or aspargus, some pieces of pineapple or a fried banana. But not regularly. But I can now tolerate both cabbage and cauliflower quite well it seems which I couldnt. I probably could eat more varied - I did a mushroom thing last summer but felt better without it. It's simpler and helps. On occasion I drink apple juice or non-alcoholic ginger beer with friends. That's the exhaustive list. No supplements.
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Hermes on May 31, 2023, 2:45 pm
@henrik By the way, how is your diet? Do you eat eggs?
Nah not anymore. I ate an egg or two a day the first 6 months on the diet along with a glass or two of orange jucie for the first couple of months - then they started to disagree with me and I did whites only for a little while, then completly dropped them and felt better. I got curious a litte while ago and tried one again but immediately felt really bad so it was a try once for now. Maybe if things heal up I can and will but not yet. I am a quite restrictive follower. I ended up now eating basically 4 foods only. Meat (lamb and beef), peeled white potatoes, white rice, some organic apples, salt and sugar suplemented as needed. Nothing else on a daily basis. And I drink only water. Sometimes I might do some cauliflower, white cabbage or aspargus, some pieces of pineapple or a fried banana. But not regularly. But I can now tolerate both cabbage and cauliflower quite well it seems which I couldnt. I probably could eat more varied - I did a mushroom thing last summer but felt better without it. It's simpler and helps. On occasion I drink apple juice or non-alcoholic ginger beer with friends. That's the exhaustive list. No supplements.
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Henrik on May 31, 2023, 2:38 pm
@pattycake and @christian I base that on that he writes in his book and blogpost that he was looking at what was the common denominator between the carnivore diet and the Kempner diet and concluded that they both were very low in vitamin A. I don't remember exactly where but if you do a search on it in blog and book you will find it. I might of course have misinterpreted it but im basically understanding it as an important piece of figuring it out for him.
Edit: I was wrong about the books it seems -Â here is at least one blog about it: https://ggenereux.blog//?s=kempner&search=Go
@henrik
thanks for that clarification
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Henrik on May 31, 2023, 2:38 pm
@pattycake and @christian I base that on that he writes in his book and blogpost that he was looking at what was the common denominator between the carnivore diet and the Kempner diet and concluded that they both were very low in vitamin A. I don't remember exactly where but if you do a search on it in blog and book you will find it. I might of course have misinterpreted it but im basically understanding it as an important piece of figuring it out for him.
Edit: I was wrong about the books it seems -Â here is at least one blog about it: https://ggenereux.blog//?s=kempner&search=Go
@henrik
thanks for that clarification
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Hermes on June 1, 2023, 7:26 pm
@henrik
It's interesting that you say that you think that once you're healed, you can eat eggs again. Andrew's idea is the opposite: eggs are supposed to help with healing because of the high choline. Or maybe your vitamin levels are already pretty low, you're not that toxic, and so the benefit of the extra choline doesn't outweigh the problematic retinol in the yolk.
@henrik
It's interesting that you say that you think that once you're healed, you can eat eggs again. Andrew's idea is the opposite: eggs are supposed to help with healing because of the high choline. Or maybe your vitamin levels are already pretty low, you're not that toxic, and so the benefit of the extra choline doesn't outweigh the problematic retinol in the yolk.
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