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Quote from Guest on February 18, 2019, 9:16 amPeskin had the gall to literally market himself as the "World's Most Trusted Authority on Health and Nutrition" when all he has is a degree in electrical engineering, what a joke. He's just trying to sell a product, all of his lectures are just marketing material. He's just another narcissist trying to run a food/supplement cult, trying to profit off of all his braindead followers.
Peskin had the gall to literally market himself as the "World's Most Trusted Authority on Health and Nutrition" when all he has is a degree in electrical engineering, what a joke. He's just trying to sell a product, all of his lectures are just marketing material. He's just another narcissist trying to run a food/supplement cult, trying to profit off of all his braindead followers.
Quote from Guest on February 18, 2019, 9:28 amWhat cult are you talking about
He doesn't even have a forum last I checked until ray peat who's beyond cult status. You seem hurt your ray peat pufa theory has been torn to shreds. It's okay eat some nuts you can be a normal human being again.
What cult are you talking about
He doesn't even have a forum last I checked until ray peat who's beyond cult status. You seem hurt your ray peat pufa theory has been torn to shreds. It's okay eat some nuts you can be a normal human being again.
Quote from Guest on February 18, 2019, 9:28 amBy the way
Grant is an engineer
You okay with that ?
By the way
Grant is an engineer
You okay with that ?
Quote from Guest on February 18, 2019, 9:52 amGrant has provided us with a theory and some free books detailing all the evidence for his theory. His material costs nothing, he doesn't sell anything, doing the diet doesn't cost anything, he's not on the board of some pill company.
Peskin on the other hand goes around telling people that he's the highest medical authority on the planet, pretending to be a medical doctor (not anymore after the FDA came after him), selling basic vegetable oil pills claiming that they can cure all kinds of diseases including cancer.
I don't care what Ray Peat says, I think he's wrong on most things. I have tried eating a "peat" diet and it helped me with some thing and made other things worse. The only thing I think he's really right on is fat, because his fat recommendations actually make me feel a lot better. It might be different from person to person. I'm not saying unsaturated fats are bad even, all I'm saying is for me, they seem to inhibit glucose oxidation, I become intolerant to high carb foods like white rice and potatoes and sugar when I eat a diet that includes a lot of unsaturated fat. I get headaches and mood swings, the so called "blood sugar swings" that people often talk about. If I was doing a keto style diet and burning fat I would probably eat all kinds of PUFAs because I wouldn't depend on glucose oxidation anyways. Things aren't so black and white. I think Ray Peat is right on fats. I think Aajonus Vonderplanitz general food recommendations are quite shitty but I think he is right on the digestibility of raw meats. I might be a special case though, my digestion has been impaired ever since I was put on a year-long antibiotics course by an MD. I think Russell Blaylock had some interesting things to say about excitotoxicity but I don't agree with his food recommendations either. It's not black or white. And before you start crying about how fringe those characters are, you have to realize that the idea that Vitamin A is not essential is extremely fringe. If you travelled around giving talks about how Vitamin A is a poison, as an MD, you would probably lose your license. If you openly told people that you feed your kids a diet with no Vitamin A on purpose you could probably have your kids taken away. It's a very very fringe idea.
Maybe Peskin is right, despite everyhing I'm open to that idea. But he's acting very very shady and you aren't exactly giving a good testament to his ideas on this forum.
Grant has provided us with a theory and some free books detailing all the evidence for his theory. His material costs nothing, he doesn't sell anything, doing the diet doesn't cost anything, he's not on the board of some pill company.
Peskin on the other hand goes around telling people that he's the highest medical authority on the planet, pretending to be a medical doctor (not anymore after the FDA came after him), selling basic vegetable oil pills claiming that they can cure all kinds of diseases including cancer.
I don't care what Ray Peat says, I think he's wrong on most things. I have tried eating a "peat" diet and it helped me with some thing and made other things worse. The only thing I think he's really right on is fat, because his fat recommendations actually make me feel a lot better. It might be different from person to person. I'm not saying unsaturated fats are bad even, all I'm saying is for me, they seem to inhibit glucose oxidation, I become intolerant to high carb foods like white rice and potatoes and sugar when I eat a diet that includes a lot of unsaturated fat. I get headaches and mood swings, the so called "blood sugar swings" that people often talk about. If I was doing a keto style diet and burning fat I would probably eat all kinds of PUFAs because I wouldn't depend on glucose oxidation anyways. Things aren't so black and white. I think Ray Peat is right on fats. I think Aajonus Vonderplanitz general food recommendations are quite shitty but I think he is right on the digestibility of raw meats. I might be a special case though, my digestion has been impaired ever since I was put on a year-long antibiotics course by an MD. I think Russell Blaylock had some interesting things to say about excitotoxicity but I don't agree with his food recommendations either. It's not black or white. And before you start crying about how fringe those characters are, you have to realize that the idea that Vitamin A is not essential is extremely fringe. If you travelled around giving talks about how Vitamin A is a poison, as an MD, you would probably lose your license. If you openly told people that you feed your kids a diet with no Vitamin A on purpose you could probably have your kids taken away. It's a very very fringe idea.
Maybe Peskin is right, despite everyhing I'm open to that idea. But he's acting very very shady and you aren't exactly giving a good testament to his ideas on this forum.
Quote from Guest on February 18, 2019, 10:03 amPeople are basically forced to seek out alternatives fringe or not because conventional medicine is failing people horribly. I’ve been unwell most of my life until recently and I’ll be 50 this year. I went into the medical field hoping to learn some things to help myself and my family but what I learned instead is that unless you are in a true life or death emergency or need a specific surgery to have a better chance at staying alive medicine has little to offer. There are a few rare exceptions but medicine is really a big failure in my opinion. I’ve tried many things that didn’t pan out and some were even harmful but the important part is to keep trying and keep learning. Bella
People are basically forced to seek out alternatives fringe or not because conventional medicine is failing people horribly. I’ve been unwell most of my life until recently and I’ll be 50 this year. I went into the medical field hoping to learn some things to help myself and my family but what I learned instead is that unless you are in a true life or death emergency or need a specific surgery to have a better chance at staying alive medicine has little to offer. There are a few rare exceptions but medicine is really a big failure in my opinion. I’ve tried many things that didn’t pan out and some were even harmful but the important part is to keep trying and keep learning. Bella
Quote from Carbon on February 18, 2019, 10:31 amI have RA for over 30 years (started when I was 24) and just finished reading the eBook. English is not my native language but it is easy to read and I notice a lot of similarities and logic explanations. I have always tried to eat "healthy" with lot of vegetables and using multivitamins and other supplements including EPA/DHA. The rationale for that was that omega 3 balances omega 6 overload and reduces inflammation. I NEVER experienced any benefit from using omega 3. Regarding the PUFA/Ray Peat theory, I do experience benefit in avoiding PUFA and using vitamin E supplements. Actually I do great on olive oil, butter and coconut oil - all in moderation of course!. I like to cycle on my race bicycle. With a PUFA loaden dieet I used to have swollen knees at the start of cycling season. My assumption is that with the cycling a lot of PUFA was used and lots of free radicals were created in that process invoking a flare-up. Since I try to minimize PUFA and add vitamin E, D3 & K2 it improved so much. Actually I was in a little experiment mega-dosing on D3 with 20,000 ie per day for some months (balanced with K2). All went well with insane recovery times till I added vitamin A to the mix. Some expert claimed you need to take vitamin A & vitamin D in a 5:1 ratio. Wrong advice! Ditch the vitamin A. Regarding the theories mentioned in the book, one of the theories is that vitamin A poisoning already starts when a baby gets a baby formula fortified with vitamin A instead of breastfeeding. I'm from a family with 5 kids and was 2nd, I was the only one that got the baby formula and developed a severe eczema on my ears in my infant years. That was a bad start and maybe it contributed to the development of my RA as well. Yes I have also osteoporosis; broke my hip and collarbone when I fell on my bicycle two years ago. Well it was not so bad, after 5 days I was on my bike again and after 6 weeks it was kind of healed. But next time I might be not so lucky again so now time to work on minimizing vitamin A and check if it actually works for me as well.
I have RA for over 30 years (started when I was 24) and just finished reading the eBook. English is not my native language but it is easy to read and I notice a lot of similarities and logic explanations. I have always tried to eat "healthy" with lot of vegetables and using multivitamins and other supplements including EPA/DHA. The rationale for that was that omega 3 balances omega 6 overload and reduces inflammation. I NEVER experienced any benefit from using omega 3. Regarding the PUFA/Ray Peat theory, I do experience benefit in avoiding PUFA and using vitamin E supplements. Actually I do great on olive oil, butter and coconut oil - all in moderation of course!. I like to cycle on my race bicycle. With a PUFA loaden dieet I used to have swollen knees at the start of cycling season. My assumption is that with the cycling a lot of PUFA was used and lots of free radicals were created in that process invoking a flare-up. Since I try to minimize PUFA and add vitamin E, D3 & K2 it improved so much. Actually I was in a little experiment mega-dosing on D3 with 20,000 ie per day for some months (balanced with K2). All went well with insane recovery times till I added vitamin A to the mix. Some expert claimed you need to take vitamin A & vitamin D in a 5:1 ratio. Wrong advice! Ditch the vitamin A. Regarding the theories mentioned in the book, one of the theories is that vitamin A poisoning already starts when a baby gets a baby formula fortified with vitamin A instead of breastfeeding. I'm from a family with 5 kids and was 2nd, I was the only one that got the baby formula and developed a severe eczema on my ears in my infant years. That was a bad start and maybe it contributed to the development of my RA as well. Yes I have also osteoporosis; broke my hip and collarbone when I fell on my bicycle two years ago. Well it was not so bad, after 5 days I was on my bike again and after 6 weeks it was kind of healed. But next time I might be not so lucky again so now time to work on minimizing vitamin A and check if it actually works for me as well.
Quote from tim on February 18, 2019, 3:45 pmThere are many factors that affect our health.
LA will not cause issues like VA will cause. That does not mean it is good or healthy though. It could negatively impact energy levels and body composition. It can promote cancer and heart disease later on. But one is unlikely to notice great benefits if lowering LA consumption is seen as the holy grail to health.
The study I posted in this thread shows that more LA in the diet dramatically increases Vitamin E requirements. It is hard science that it isn't a great energy source. That does not mean that hunter gathers that ate lots of nuts got sick. Many animals naturally have high levels of LA in their tissues and are fine. But just like with liver, just because something was ancestrally available does not make it optimal.
There are many factors that affect our health.
LA will not cause issues like VA will cause. That does not mean it is good or healthy though. It could negatively impact energy levels and body composition. It can promote cancer and heart disease later on. But one is unlikely to notice great benefits if lowering LA consumption is seen as the holy grail to health.
The study I posted in this thread shows that more LA in the diet dramatically increases Vitamin E requirements. It is hard science that it isn't a great energy source. That does not mean that hunter gathers that ate lots of nuts got sick. Many animals naturally have high levels of LA in their tissues and are fine. But just like with liver, just because something was ancestrally available does not make it optimal.
Quote from tim on February 18, 2019, 3:51 pmWhen it comes to LA, I think eating some nuts in moderation is healthy because they are a great source of Vit E. They also contain a lot of phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors and LA though which is why we naturally don't make them a staple food.
I would definitely recommend not consuming extracted seed oils in quantity though, especially if they have been heated. Canola oil is by far the worst since it also contains erucic acid and is proven to cause heart lesions.
When it comes to LA, I think eating some nuts in moderation is healthy because they are a great source of Vit E. They also contain a lot of phytic acid, enzyme inhibitors and LA though which is why we naturally don't make them a staple food.
I would definitely recommend not consuming extracted seed oils in quantity though, especially if they have been heated. Canola oil is by far the worst since it also contains erucic acid and is proven to cause heart lesions.
Quote from Guest on February 24, 2019, 1:46 amWho's promoting heated oils? Eat walnuts and eat almonds. Look at the testimonial of black seed oil which has good ratio of omega 6. And no Peskin isn't selling this stop with your pufa paranoia. I used to eat plenty of nuts and only saw positives. I am getting back to it and getting better each day. No such thing as hard science in nutrition.
Who's promoting heated oils? Eat walnuts and eat almonds. Look at the testimonial of black seed oil which has good ratio of omega 6. And no Peskin isn't selling this stop with your pufa paranoia. I used to eat plenty of nuts and only saw positives. I am getting back to it and getting better each day. No such thing as hard science in nutrition.
Quote from Guest on February 24, 2019, 1:47 amI can't believe you mentioned aajonus the fake name con artist. Raw meat doesn't digest better absolutely zero evidence for that in fact the opposite makes more sense as cooking helps digestion of most foods. And you taking shots at Peskin??? Please man go eat some nuts
I can't believe you mentioned aajonus the fake name con artist. Raw meat doesn't digest better absolutely zero evidence for that in fact the opposite makes more sense as cooking helps digestion of most foods. And you taking shots at Peskin??? Please man go eat some nuts