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How do your detox symptoms occur?
Quote from thomas on September 28, 2019, 4:08 pmQuote from tar on September 28, 2019, 11:20 amhas anyone actually bought Smith's detox plan? curious if it is worth it
It is worth it imo.
I tried it out. Wasn't too bad, some things I had not read about in there. Will be interested to see how he updates it overtime.
Quote from tar on September 28, 2019, 11:20 amhas anyone actually bought Smith's detox plan? curious if it is worth it
I think at $40 it's a steal. There's a lot of good information. He has provided some new updates and suggestions on the private forum with respect to pectin and molybdenum that seem very, very promising.
Has anyone been able to say how long it took to detox? I am new to this (only one month from stopping supplements and cod liver oil), and some days I feel good, and other days I literally feel like crap.
This week, I believe (according to cronometer) have kept my vA intake to around <100 mcg RDA. One or two days it might have been a little more.
Is sub 100 mcg too low? Not asking for your advice, just your experience.
@bruce in my experience, <100 mcg is not too low, ie. I don't think I've ever felt like I've run into trouble by staying lower than that level.
As for how long it takes to fully detox, I think the answer is pretty complex. My understanding is that Vitamin A toxicity fundamentally alters certain things in the body, and it may take 2-3+ years to fully undo the effects. So it's not just about "detoxing" an excess of the vitamin A molecules. You also have to give you body a chance to heal the damages/changes effected by the vitamin A.
I am 2.5 years in, probably on average <100 mcg per day, and I still feel I have some ways to go to fully recover. But it seems that recovery is not necessarily a linear process. In one of Grant's books, he details that during the first month, he didn't really notice much of an improvement. But then all of a sudden, like one month in, his joint pain just completely vanished.
(I might be oversimplifying his story, but I think he details this in either Poison for Profits or Extinguishing the Fire of Hell, both of which books are free downloads on his website).
Quote from Navid on June 23, 2026, 10:18 am@bruce in my experience, <100 mcg is not too low, ie. I don't think I've ever felt like I've run into trouble by staying lower than that level.
As for how long it takes to fully detox, I think the answer is pretty complex. My understanding is that Vitamin A toxicity fundamentally alters certain things in the body, and it may take 2-3+ years to fully undo the effects. So it's not just about "detoxing" an excess of the vitamin A molecules. You also have to give you body a chance to heal the damages/changes effected by the vitamin A.
I am 2.5 years in, probably on average <100 mcg per day, and I still feel I have some ways to go to fully recover. But it seems that recovery is not necessarily a linear process. In one of Grant's books, he details that during the first month, he didn't really notice much of an improvement. But then all of a sudden, like one month in, his joint pain just completely vanished.
(I might be oversimplifying his story, but I think he details this in either Poison for Profits or Extinguishing the Fire of Hell, both of which books are free downloads on his website).
Hi yes, I have read (am reading) both of those books. It seems he had a remarkable recovery very early. At four weeks out, I am still in the VERY early stages, and some things definitely have been improving, but some things I fear are going to take much longer.
Do you give much credence to the theory that vA basically re-poisons you every time the liver releases large stores of vA? Like, it goes from the liver to the blood and then to the bile, and then back to the liver? I am not sure of the actual route, but basically that it kinda goes into circulation and then back into the liver until it decreases greatly.
My understanding is that if we consider a single molecule of vitamin A, imagine it is currently stored in the liver -- one possible pathway is that it gets released into the bloodstream and then released into the bile and intestines. And then in theory, I think it can get reabsorbed back into the bloodstream and then get packaged again in the liver. So I think it is possible that it can get reabsorbed. However, I'm honestly not sure what the actual percentages are in terms of how much is just excreted in the stool versus how much is reabsorbed into the bloodstream.
Vitamin A metabolism/catabolism seems to be a very complex subject with many, many pathways and factors that are all playing together at the same time. And I don't fully understand it, not as much as I'd like.
But one thing I wanted to add onto my previous response is that I think the amount of time it will take to get rid of excess vitamin A depends on a wide number of factors. One of those, of course, being how much vitamin A you have accumulated in your own system. So, if you've only taken cod liver oil for one year and that's it, that may not be that much that has to be detoxed.
In my case, I took cod liver oil over a period of at least five or six years. Although not every day and not necessarily at the standard dosages. I probably took less than what the label said to take. And I also have a history of very high dairy consumption. So your timeline may not look like my timeline.
Quote from Bruce on June 23, 2026, 11:13 amQuote from Navid on June 23, 2026, 10:18 am@bruce in my experience, <100 mcg is not too low, ie. I don't think I've ever felt like I've run into trouble by staying lower than that level.
As for how long it takes to fully detox, I think the answer is pretty complex. My understanding is that Vitamin A toxicity fundamentally alters certain things in the body, and it may take 2-3+ years to fully undo the effects. So it's not just about "detoxing" an excess of the vitamin A molecules. You also have to give you body a chance to heal the damages/changes effected by the vitamin A.
I am 2.5 years in, probably on average <100 mcg per day, and I still feel I have some ways to go to fully recover. But it seems that recovery is not necessarily a linear process. In one of Grant's books, he details that during the first month, he didn't really notice much of an improvement. But then all of a sudden, like one month in, his joint pain just completely vanished.
(I might be oversimplifying his story, but I think he details this in either Poison for Profits or Extinguishing the Fire of Hell, both of which books are free downloads on his website).
Hi yes, I have read (am reading) both of those books. It seems he had a remarkable recovery very early. At four weeks out, I am still in the VERY early stages, and some things definitely have been improving, but some things I fear are going to take much longer.
Do you give much credence to the theory that vA basically re-poisons you every time the liver releases large stores of vA? Like, it goes from the liver to the blood and then to the bile, and then back to the liver? I am not sure of the actual route, but basically that it kinda goes into circulation and then back into the liver until it decreases greatly.
Sounds as good as any explanation, and you explained it kind of like how I think it happens.
I need to clarify, my vA toxicity I think is a myriad of things. Rosita's cod liver oil has more retinol vA than most other cod liver oils because they do not take it out and then put it back in at controlled amounts. So my teaspoon daily was SLIGHTLY over RDA at about 1100 mcg, but combine that with 1g from greens powder, regular diet, and for a spell over years, even a vD supplement that also had vA (palmitate).
Sigh.
When I went back into cronometer, my daily intake for 2025 was averaging about 1,500 mcg and this year has been even higher at about 1,780 (before I cut it off). As you can imagine, it dropped a lot in the last four weeks, but likely the damage was done.
None of those figures seem like the 10,000 mcg daily I see thrown around where toxicity occurs, which baffles me, and leads me to believe (I believe as Grant has also said) that vA toxicity can happen at MUCH lower levels than what the scientists will tell us.
Hi Bruce,
My current way I look at symptoms is that there are "acute" and "chronic" symptoms. All of my acute symptoms went away by 1.5 years (such as head pressure and nausea). My chronic symptoms are much better, but some I still have and some I may take to the grave because real damage is done.
I am NOT on a severely low vitamin A diet, and so my progress may have been more slow. I also have had times in which, over the course of a week of not being careful enough, I've come up with an "acute" symptom. Sometimes I realize OTHER toxins also play in to this load. For instance, when I turned on my new oven I ended up with one of my acute attacks. It also appears that infection can also be involved. Or, for me, travel. (I've always been a horrible traveler).
(for a little background, I feel that my mother was vitamin A overloaded, and so I began life overloaded, then became a backyard farmer who was very good at raising butternut, and joined the WAPF and chugged cod liver oil and liver and etc. for many years) Strangely enough, even this wasn't enough to kill me (and mom is still with us too). I was in my late fifties on this ultra-high program when I found Grant and I'm in my mid 60's now. Vitamin A overload won't necessarily kill you.
Anyways, I'm not sure that everyone is going to have all symptoms go away because of damage. But the progression of bad things should at least stop, and lots of things will rise up to be better and better over a long period of time. Skin issues seem particularly slow.
Quote from lil chick on June 24, 2026, 4:29 amHi Bruce,
My current way I look at symptoms is that there are "acute" and "chronic" symptoms. All of my acute symptoms went away by 1.5 years (such as head pressure and nausea). My chronic symptoms are much better, but some I still have and some I may take to the grave because real damage is done.
I am NOT on a severely low vitamin A diet, and so my progress may have been more slow. I also have had times in which, over the course of a week of not being careful enough, I've come up with an "acute" symptom. Sometimes I realize OTHER toxins also play in to this load. For instance, when I turned on my new oven I ended up with one of my acute attacks. It also appears that infection can also be involved. Or, for me, travel. (I've always been a horrible traveler).
(for a little background, I feel that my mother was vitamin A overloaded, and so I began life overloaded, then became a backyard farmer who was very good at raising butternut, and joined the WAPF and chugged cod liver oil and liver and etc. for many years) Strangely enough, even this wasn't enough to kill me (and mom is still with us too). I was in my late fifties on this ultra-high program when I found Grant and I'm in my mid 60's now. Vitamin A overload won't necessarily kill you.
Anyways, I'm not sure that everyone is going to have all symptoms go away because of damage. But the progression of bad things should at least stop, and lots of things will rise up to be better and better over a long period of time. Skin issues seem particularly slow.
Hi, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I am early 60s and this thing just kinda hit me all of a sudden. That’s what was so strange about it and I guess maybe what the doctors really couldn’t figure out as well. It just seemed like it was not there one day and then the next day I had some really bad symptoms.
Looking back actually, some of the things did kind of build up but the bone and joint health issues seems to just kind of strike overnight.
Wishing the best of health for both of us.
I’m not doing zero but I’m certainly not doing high vitamin A like I’ve seen one of the commoners post that we should be doing 1000 or 2000 µg per day.
Why would I ingest RDA of vitamin A if that’s what got me here in the first place.
That just seems totally insane.