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how to moisturize the skin?
Thanks Puddleduck for the link! Glad to hear it's working for you!
Any thoughts on these ingredients?
Purified Water, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20 and Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Dimethicone, Polysorbate 20, Polyglyceryl-3 Diisostearate, Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Cetyl Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Phytosphingosine, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum.
It CeraVe daily moisturizing lotion. I haven’t bought it yet. Bella
I don't know about the ingredients, but I used a CeraVe cream on my hands last winter. After using it for a while, one night, I reacted badly to it. My hands felt like they were burning and became even redder I had to wash it off with soap.
Quote from somuch4food on January 6, 2019, 4:09 pmI don't know about the ingredients, but I used a CeraVe cream on my hands last winter. After using it for a while, one night, I reacted badly to it. My hands felt like they were burning and became even redder I had to wash it off with soap.
Thanks somuch4food. I don’t want to buy another product and have it go to waste. 🙂
I've been using Fragrance-Free Lubriderm for the last few days and the skin on my hands is much better: https://www.lubriderm.com/products/daily-moisture-lotion-fragrance-free
There was a slight sting with the first few applications, but I attributed this to actual wounds from the dryness of my skin. Much less reaction than when I tried CeraVe or Aveeno (my hands would become redder on application).
I find it interesting that fatty acids seem to be the main active ingredients:
Water, Mineral Oil, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Stearic Acid, Cetyl Alcohol, Phenoxyethanol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Dimethicone, Carbomer, Ceteareth-20, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Citrate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Citric Acid, Ethylparaben, Panthenol.
What about pure squalane oil? Any thoughts on using this?
Quote from Orion on January 17, 2019, 7:31 amWhat about pure squalane oil? Any thoughts on using this?
Someone sent me this comparing squalane to mineral oil. I don't really know what to think of it in all honesty but figured I'd show it to you and you could judge for yourself.
Squalane is a long saturated carbon chain, essentially the same as mineral oil.
Arthritis Res Ther. 2005;7(6):R1296-303. Epub 2005 Sep 23.
Association between occupational exposure to mineral oil and rheumatoid
arthritis: results from the Swedish EIRA case-control study.
Sverdrup B, Kallberg H, Bengtsson C, Lundberg I, Padyukov L, Alfredsson L,
Klareskog L; Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group.
Department of Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska Hospital, Stockholm,
Sweden. berit.sverdrup@imm.ki.se
The aim of the present study was to investigate the association between exposure
to mineral oil and the risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis (RA), and in
addition to perform a separate analysis on the major subphenotypes for the
disease; namely, rheumatoid factor (RF)-positive RA, RF-negative RA,
anticitrulline-positive RA and anticitrulline-negative RA, respectively. A
population-based case-control study of incident cases of RA was performed among
the population aged 18-70 years in a defined area of Sweden during May
1996-December 2003. A case was defined as an individual from the study base who
for the first time received a diagnosis of RA according to the American College
of Rheumatology criteria of 1987. Controls were randomly selected from the study
base with consideration taken for age, gender and residential area. Cases (n =
1,419) and controls (n = 1,674) answered an extensive questionnaire regarding
lifestyle factors and occupational exposures, including different types of
mineral oils. Sera from cases and controls were investigated for RF and
anticitrulline antibodies.Among men, exposure to any mineral oil was associated
with a 30% increased relative risk of developing RA (relative risk = 1.3, 95%
confidence interval = 1.0-1.7). When cases were subdivided into RF-positive RA
and RF-negative RA, an increased risk was only observed for RF-positive RA
(relative risk = 1.4, 95% confidence interval 1.0-2.0). When RA cases were
subdivided according to the presence of anticitrulline antibodies, an increased
risk associated with exposure to any mineral oil was observed only for
anticitrulline-positive RA (relative risk = 1.6, 95% confidence interval =
1.1-2.2). Analysis of the interaction between oil exposure and the presence of
HLA-DR shared epitope genes regarding the incidence of RA indicated that the
increased risk associated with exposure to mineral oil was not related to the
presence of shared epitope genotypes. In conclusion, our study shows that
exposure to mineral oil is associated with an increased risk to develop
RF-positive RA and anticitrulline-positive RA, respectively. The findings are of
particular interest since the same mineral oils can induce polyarthritis in
rats."
Quote from Orion on January 17, 2019, 7:31 amWhat about pure squalane oil? Any thoughts on using this?
Also when you consider that we already know Sweden has one of the highest rates of osteoporosis (probably from abundant VA) then it might not be the mineral oil that is the real reason for the increased incidence of rheumatoid arthritis but the high VA diets causing people to not be able to handle mineral oil. Forgive me but I'm not a scientist just a person speculating.
Just sharing my opinion here:
The less we mess with the skin's moisture/oil content, the better. The body should regulate this itself. By putting oil or moisturiser on the skin, you're sending a signal to the body that it doesn't need to produce its own oils. Thus, you become dependent on that moisturiser. A number of people have asked me for advice in dealing with acne, and the first thing I tell them to do is to stop using anything (including soap) on their skin, and to avoid washing it with excessive vigour. This always seems to have a profound impact if it is given enough time.
In the context of the low vitamin A diet, it's possible that the body is extruding vitamin A from the pores as a means of getting rid of it. This would cause dry skin. As Grant wrote in his books, it's probably also an effect of the vitamin A on the sebaceous glands. If this was happening, applying oil or moisturiser to the skin could emulsify vitamin A and cause the skin to reabsorb it, which would be the opposite of what we want.
If someone was really struggling, maybe using something like vaseline, which the body is unlikely to absorb much of, would be the best option. Otherwise I'd suggest powering through and allowing the body to find its own balance, which it will do once it stops being disrupted (either by internal vitamin A or external products).
Again, this is just my opinion, and what works for me/some people who I have spoken to.
I agree. I am using a moisturizer on a as needed basis. I was doing fine without any for a while, but now that the temperature has dropped to minus 15 celsius, my hands are getting really dry and need a bit of help to prevent wounding/bleeding.