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Is most of vitamin A removed through breath and urine, not bile?
@jessica2
I was the most crunchy Mom I know so I barely used soap on my kids. It was definitely not chemicals or fragrances or soap. He was exclusively breastfed for a yr and then didn't wean until yrs later, no vaccines, I was doing more vegetarian whole foods type stuff when he was born then by the time he started getting those patches behind his knees I had switched to raw milk, pastured eggs, WAPF style.
But soap shouldn't cause eczema if the skin is doing what it should.
So you agree that the protein junk in the bile that recirculates over and over again (and all the pesticides we come in contact with) could be causing inflammation so Karen Hurd's protocol can heal the gut and and lower inflammation.
Also why did Grant's dry skin get fluorescent?
@jessica2
Yeah I can see how if the kidneys are the ones removing the vitamin A then it could be the thing poisoning the skin when the kidneys fail. Is eczema common in kidney failure? I just wonder then why else people struggle with vitamin A poisoning the skin or sebaceous glands when they don't have kidney disease. And as you know I'm still trying to figure out what is going to heal my buttcrack rash.
I live in Florida so I don't grow many vegetables, even tomatoes are hard to grow here. I finally started the everglades tomatoes and we have some cute little tomatoes starting to grow now. I don't know how many of them we will actually eat but I just enjoy growing things. I have 4 different varieties of bananas, 4 little mango trees (although one is really starting to take off! And it was so yummy I had never tried a mango that sweet the brix was 22!), one fig tree that is struggling to take off because we get so much rain and they come from the middle east, I also have pineapples in the ground but they haven't produced just haven't figured out how to get them to thrive quite yet, I try not to use too much synthetic fertilizer. I used to grow white sweet potatoes but I got rid of them in favor of growing wildflowers for the butterflies and native bees. We also have a jamaican cherry tree that produces these tiny little berries yr round you just squeeze the juice in your mouth and throw out the skin. I'm hoping our blueberry bush takes off, it needs acid soil and I haven't quite got it more acid yet.
I'm not too worried about the carotenoids in the mangoes quite yet, I'm sure it will eventually be a concern though, but I will just give away as much as I can. I will eat them without fats in the morning only.
I'm sorry to hear you don't have much time to spend gardening anymore. I kinda wish I could grow more vegetables I miss fresh cucumbers and things like that I used to grow up in the north, but I just love the tropical fruit trees!
Quote from Paola on August 23, 2024, 12:47 pmUnfortunately, given that they received retinyl acetate (which is not present in food, as far as I understand) intravenously (except for one guy), it is not clear how applicable this is to real life retinol metabolism.
But IF it is, then this could potentially explain why high fiber low vit A dieters tend to have a harder time than low vit A zero fiber carnivores.
Pretty big if. So why test a form of retinol not present in food?
Pretty big if. So why test a form of retinol not present in food?
I get different statements about retinyl acetate. Some say it's naturally occurring, others that it's synthetic. But, it is a retinol ester. Most of vitamin A in human tissue is in the form of retinol esters, from what I read ... So, I guess they picked it as a place holder of what is naturally present in human bodies ... ?
"Fatty acid esters of retinol (Figure 1A, R2) are the predominant form of vitamin A in most tissues."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/retinol-acetate
Quote from Janelle525 on August 24, 2024, 12:20 pmQuote from Jessica2 on August 24, 2024, 12:13 pmGrant isn't overdoing any one food on his 1200-1600 calories per day diet. It's remarkably low in a lot of things. Calcium, thiamine, calories, fat, phosphorus, probably magnesium, allergens; you name it.
It's probably why a lot of the studies showing low calorie diets lead to a longer lifespan; you're getting less bad things.
The anti-meat folks would say he overdid beef. Why do people react to dairy but not beef?
Meat eaters, specifically beef eaters make progress the best on LYL detox. Vegans make the worst progress. Most attribute it to the nutrients needed to make retinol binding protein.
Years ago found a study - looking for it now. Pharma funded study to test drugs to be marketed as treatments for celiac / gluten intolerance. Needed a population with celiac / gluten intolerance. They were not able to induce it until they introduced retinols. Then suddenly gluten intolerance / celiacs all over the place.
While looking for one single cause and insisting on one single factor in cure, we frequently ignore and sidestep vast arrays of contributing factors that work cumulatively and synchronously. Eliminating one factor because it alone has not caused something when tested alone only falsely confirms a bias.
Long before vaccines were suspect as a cause of autism, mercury poisoning from coal fired power plants were blamed. Later when people realized mercury was being used in vaccines, they were added to the contributory factor list. Add to that Christopher Exley's research on dementia brains laden with aluminum and autistic brains with many more times aluminum toxicity. No wonder his university defunded his department when he refused to shutup. A couple years after his exit, a pharma company funded a whole new department to replace him. Who knows how many other toxins contribute to autism along with aluminum and mercury? Wonder what copper, retinols and pyridoxine does in that mix.
The confirmation bias hoops jumped through here while presuming Grant is flat out wrong while presuming any other idea that comes along is flat out right until proven wrong is breath taking - aldehyde laden breath taken.
Many of us on LYL note regularly our breath and body odor being bad. Also our sweaty clothes being yellow stained. One person bought a new electric toothbrush. Side by side with the old one noted how yellow stained the plastic was where his hands touched it. By all indications, the liver is the primary detox organ with the kidneys and skin as back up in that order. The lungs are frequently another detox organ used in conjunction with liver. Most aldehydes kicked out of the liver from alcohol hangovers are breathed out.
With all that in mind, as we bring fiber (Karen Hurd gets proven right daily) and charcoal on line, along with the nutrients depleted by the struggle to make more RBP, the bile starts coming out in the stool more readily. As that happens, breath, body odor, stained clothing and attitudes all improve.
If this thread proves out anything when looked at side by side with a cohort you routinely dismiss with ad hominem attacks, it is that as the colon comes online kicking out toxic bile faster than the liver poops it into the GI tract, all the other detox systems get some slack and rebuild. Exactly as Grant's kidneys and skin rebuilt.
Interesting here in this thread that to dismiss Grant's well thought out theories, Garrett's well thought out theories and mounting clinical case studies, you are now required to dismiss Karen Hurd's insightful and genius experience and mounting case studies. Good luck with that.
BTW, sunflowers and milkweed love to fill in where tomatoes, carrots and arugula used to grow. Besides a rash of butterflies and bees, goldfinches, hummers, flycatchers, and a ton of other birds come and hang out with our chickens. Not sure how these plants translate to your growing zones. Apples, black raspberries, plums and blueberries rock for all these birds as well. And there are a few white fleshed squash that work well.
Have a good night and please at some point in time, let me know if you dismiss and trivialize Grant's and Garrett's work and theories so easily, then why are you here? Why are you calling someone a bully for asking that? Why are you posting so hard on a blog you so disagree with?
@joe
It wasn't quite clear who you were speaking to in the last comment?
Also my comment about vegans was to point out that no one questions when someone overdoes meat, but they always question when they overdo anything else. It's hypocritical. But hypocritical attitudes are rampant in health communities I think everyone has some hypocritical beliefs. I don't think Grant's meat intake is excessive though. My husband's maybe lol. He's carnivore. I wonder about his iron. He is rapidly losing hair and looking older and waking up at 5 am after only 6 hours of sleep. Carnivore is massively overhyped. It's a weight loss and inuslin resistance tool. That's about it.
Quote from Janelle525 on August 27, 2024, 6:45 am@joe
It wasn't quite clear who you were speaking to in the last comment?
Also my comment about vegans was to point out that no one questions when someone overdoes meat, but they always question when they overdo anything else. It's hypocritical. But hypocritical attitudes are rampant in health communities I think everyone has some hypocritical beliefs. I don't think Grant's meat intake is excessive though. My husband's maybe lol. He's carnivore. I wonder about his iron. He is rapidly losing hair and looking older and waking up at 5 am after only 6 hours of sleep. Carnivore is massively overhyped. It's a weight loss and inuslin resistance tool. That's about it.
My biggest beef about carnivore (get it?) is that how likely is someone going to be able to get sufficient quantities of beef for years or decades? There are going to be times where less if any beef will be available. Shawn Baker is painted into a corner right now. He burnt his bifido away awhile back. Eating an apple crippled him for 3 days. Unfortunately for him he has little experience and study in other paradigms.
When I crashed with sacroiliitis 11/2022, I had been paleo keto 12 years. I knew immediately that a lack of wheat was not my problem. I also learned immediately that eating any more liver was not possible. I learned in a few short weeks that I needed to get back to carbs. Fortunately I had studied and worked with Zone diet previous 15 years. I knew how to carefully get from zero carbs to a bearable load of carbs fairly quickly. I was also familiar with what it would take to get back to keto if I changed my mind. Most have no clue let alone experience. I had 29 years of study, mentoring and experience.
When I found Grant and Garrett, it was much easier to hold their ideas up against my previous 43 years (high calorie lacto ovo 14 years) of study, training, testing and experience. Garrett's ideas on the transition were spot on. He dabbled in low carb a little but never did carnivore. He was smart enough to admit that up front.
Have talked with Shawn Baker a few times. He is slowly realizing he is cornered and needs to work out an exit strategy. He had disc problems last year that scream that he needs to stop eggs completely. This is probably why he gave Thor Thorens 50 minutes on a podcast. Obvious he still wants to stay carnivore. Also obvious his time and options are running out. He knows Thor has similar and long experience. He will need Thor's help soon.
Ok that is my ramble. If nothing else your husband deserves credit. He is experimenting. Hope he is studying too. Many good people out there working on making it work better. LYL has a few new carnivores who are cancer survivors too. One is 10 years in on a 2 year diagnosis. She found that when she tried to bring back carbs, her tumors grew. So now she is working out how to bring charcoal and fiber in while she stays carnivore. And tumors are stable. Will be wild when she groks copper binders and starts pulling copper out.
The list of folk on LYL coming from years of carnivore is growing fast. Interesting takes on diet.
As to hypocrisy, um that is interesting. In all my diets for last 50 years, I have never had a moment where people did not ask questions and tell me I am crazy. While they ate their jello dessert / salad and their macaroni and cheese main course both from boxes. Walking around the block was difficult for them while we were training daily and working long hours. Reminds me of the articles during covid where we were told it is a bad idea to do our own research. Only professional scientists should try to understand science. Curious to read someone on this blog criticize me for being a cult / guru follower for studying and trying different paradigms. Everyone one of those transitions took study, trial and error and skill building. And every one of those paradigms relieved symptoms from previous decades while enhancing performance in strength and endurance.
But yeh whatever. Just a cult follower. Not a real sciency person like those who ignore Grant's facts while writing dismissive junk on his blog. Reminds me of seeing people on LYL who pay the $100 to write comments on a blog about how the blog is dumb and not worth $100. Makes me curious about people on this blog who put serious hours in every week here while doing backflips trying to make it sound like Grant is wrong or impertinent.
Hi All,
My name is Andreas and I am in France and I am relatively new to this whole Vitamin A is toxic approach but I found it really fascinating. I've read most of the ebook content and read through most of these forum and blog posts over the summer and there is so much valuable and individual content in here. Nothing is more evident that every person is unique.
Anyway, I think there was a link to some of Dino's posts earlier in this thread and those comments about breath are very fascinating. I personally believe that the breath mind combination can do many things like create body heat, cold, stress, calm etc which obviously will lead to different hormones being more or less active.
I am not sure if Vitamin A goes out through the breath or not but my guess is that many toxins can be removed through breath control.
Here is a link to an exercise that can benefit anyone who wants to remove toxins through breath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYVrB36FrQw&list=PLmUfV8yknBd101QeXWcZbbOvvjCYtpzz0&index=1
Like with Vitamin A levels, it takes long time to master 🙂 The short summary is that exhale should be double the time of inhale during the exercise and gradually increase so after 6 months, inhale should be 30 seconds and exhale should be 60 seconds. This will remove toxins and create a smoother skin
