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isotretinoin therapy and whey protein supplementation: an underreported and hepatotoxic combination
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Inger on January 29, 2023, 11:42 am
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount.. 
I know... 🙂 this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. 😉 I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing 🙂 That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount..
I know... 🙂 this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. 😉 I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing 🙂 That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 11:41 am
@inger haha. I’m a super moderate person (very cautious) but I’ve still managed to run myself into a mess!!
I’m eating a plain whole foods diet of chicken, fish, beef, lamb etc - but all quick cooked not slow cooked. So I’d have meat balls or a burger rather than a beef casserole. I eat eggs and goats cheese. Brown rice is a staple but I also eat pasta and some bread. My expert friend recommended some organic flatbreads. I try to make everything organic. I eat nuts and seeds but avoid walnuts. I eat fruit and vegetables, except those which are named as high glutamate such as tomatoes, mushrooms and peas. I cook cakes and crumbles from scratch. I may cheat once in a while but because my seizures are so scary I’ve been sticking to this plain organic ‘cook from scratch’ diet for a couple of months now. Michelle (my expert friend) says it’s a threshold. If you bring it down you can get away with cheats with no symptoms.
@Jenny oh wow.. so it does not help to be moderate either.... I feel a little better now 🙂
I have intuitively eaten quickly cooked meat for a long time already, and i kinda dislike when it is cooked for long. I am happy to see it was the right thing to do. I really like to dry raw beef burgers on my dehydrator overnight on 38 degree C, and eat the nicely warm and dried for breakfast or lunch, it is really good that way. Do you think air drying them on that low heat for 10-12 hours is a bad idea in regards to glutamate? They are technically still raw, just slightly dried....
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 11:41 am
@inger haha. I’m a super moderate person (very cautious) but I’ve still managed to run myself into a mess!!
I’m eating a plain whole foods diet of chicken, fish, beef, lamb etc - but all quick cooked not slow cooked. So I’d have meat balls or a burger rather than a beef casserole. I eat eggs and goats cheese. Brown rice is a staple but I also eat pasta and some bread. My expert friend recommended some organic flatbreads. I try to make everything organic. I eat nuts and seeds but avoid walnuts. I eat fruit and vegetables, except those which are named as high glutamate such as tomatoes, mushrooms and peas. I cook cakes and crumbles from scratch. I may cheat once in a while but because my seizures are so scary I’ve been sticking to this plain organic ‘cook from scratch’ diet for a couple of months now. Michelle (my expert friend) says it’s a threshold. If you bring it down you can get away with cheats with no symptoms.
@Jenny oh wow.. so it does not help to be moderate either.... I feel a little better now 🙂
I have intuitively eaten quickly cooked meat for a long time already, and i kinda dislike when it is cooked for long. I am happy to see it was the right thing to do. I really like to dry raw beef burgers on my dehydrator overnight on 38 degree C, and eat the nicely warm and dried for breakfast or lunch, it is really good that way. Do you think air drying them on that low heat for 10-12 hours is a bad idea in regards to glutamate? They are technically still raw, just slightly dried....
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 12:40 pm
Sounds like your intuition is working well @inger 😀
I have no idea about the dried meat tbh. I have no experience of a dehydrator.
The fact that I got into a mess with vitamin A shows how easy it is nowadays and how you don’t need to massively overdo intake (as we were taught on my NT course). You just need to be a poor detoxer ingesting more than you can process for a prolonged period of time. You can get there more quickly by overdoing! But being moderate doesn’t protect you!
Sounds like your intuition is working well @inger 😀
I have no idea about the dried meat tbh. I have no experience of a dehydrator.
The fact that I got into a mess with vitamin A shows how easy it is nowadays and how you don’t need to massively overdo intake (as we were taught on my NT course). You just need to be a poor detoxer ingesting more than you can process for a prolonged period of time. You can get there more quickly by overdoing! But being moderate doesn’t protect you!
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Inger on January 29, 2023, 1:54 pm
Jenny I somehow really think that stress (chronic) does something with the liver that disturb the detox process. I am pretty darn sure that is.
I do believe we all have a great intuition, if we just listen. But yeah, it speaks pretty silently kinda easy to ignore 😉
Jenny I somehow really think that stress (chronic) does something with the liver that disturb the detox process. I am pretty darn sure that is.
I do believe we all have a great intuition, if we just listen. But yeah, it speaks pretty silently kinda easy to ignore 😉
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Hermes on January 29, 2023, 3:54 pm
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount..
I know... this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. 
I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
@inger
I think nutritional yeast doesn‘t contain any vitamin A, as far as I know. Why do you think your nails and teeth turned yellow?
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Inger on January 29, 2023, 11:42 am
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount..
I know... this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
@inger
I think nutritional yeast doesn‘t contain any vitamin A, as far as I know. Why do you think your nails and teeth turned yellow?
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 4:21 pm
@inger Completely agree. Stress is the elephant in the room. Chris Shade says stress blocks bile flow. I suspect he’s correct, chronic stress that is. Spending too much time in sympathetic not parasympathetic.
@inger Completely agree. Stress is the elephant in the room. Chris Shade says stress blocks bile flow. I suspect he’s correct, chronic stress that is. Spending too much time in sympathetic not parasympathetic.
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David on January 30, 2023, 12:15 am
@christian
As to why nutitional yeast might color someone yellow. There is an old term for the condition of excess riboflavin (vitamin B2) coloring the skin yellow: riboflavinemia.
Riboflavinemia is very shortly mentioned in this paper on different forms of yellowing of the skin, and you might find more information looking through reference 28 from this paper: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1365-4362.2003.01657.x?sid=nlm%3Apubmed
@christian
As to why nutitional yeast might color someone yellow. There is an old term for the condition of excess riboflavin (vitamin B2) coloring the skin yellow: riboflavinemia.
Riboflavinemia is very shortly mentioned in this paper on different forms of yellowing of the skin, and you might find more information looking through reference 28 from this paper: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1046/j.1365-4362.2003.01657.x?sid=nlm%3Apubmed
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount..
I know... this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
@inger
I think nutritional yeast doesn‘t contain any vitamin A, as far as I know. Why do you think your nails and teeth turned yellow?
I think David answered it... that must be it. Also how your pee turns yellow from eating B-vitamin complex.
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Inger on January 29, 2023, 11:42 am
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Jiří on January 29, 2023, 11:31 am
@inger yeah because I need significant amount of choline and one small egg gives me nothing in significant amount..
I know... this is how I think too, hence i use large amounts immediately and I cant wait to adapt.. I just jump, my whole life was just a whole big jump lol
It amuses me a little to think about it, there seems that some of us dont have genes for moderation. As I started to eat nutritional yeast a couple years ago because I read it was so good for B vitamins, I ate so much my teeth turned yellow and my nails too kinda! Uhhhh.. thanks God i noticed it and stopped the whole yeast thing That was a bummer! It increased my gallbladder/liver pain too... But I could eat so many spoonful, like half a bag at once. I loved that stuff. Huh. Never anymore. It was addicting, the same with collagen. I could not stop eating it. Truly weird! I am only eating real food for now.
@inger
I think nutritional yeast doesn‘t contain any vitamin A, as far as I know. Why do you think your nails and teeth turned yellow?
I think David answered it... that must be it. Also how your pee turns yellow from eating B-vitamin complex.
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 4:21 pm
@inger Completely agree. Stress is the elephant in the room. Chris Shade says stress blocks bile flow. I suspect he’s correct, chronic stress that is. Spending too much time in sympathetic not parasympathetic.
Oh wow. I totally believe that. That must be why trauma causes weak health in the long run because the body cant detox well. I am now a little obsessed with de-stressing! I have trauma from childhood my parents are radical Christians and my dad hit us a lot and all other rules we had yikes. So I have learned to notice my belly better and better and how it gets soft or hard and how I can relax it. Totally logical that when your belly is not relaxed, all the organs in that area must suffer with less blood flow 🙁
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Jenny on January 29, 2023, 4:21 pm
@inger Completely agree. Stress is the elephant in the room. Chris Shade says stress blocks bile flow. I suspect he’s correct, chronic stress that is. Spending too much time in sympathetic not parasympathetic.
Oh wow. I totally believe that. That must be why trauma causes weak health in the long run because the body cant detox well. I am now a little obsessed with de-stressing! I have trauma from childhood my parents are radical Christians and my dad hit us a lot and all other rules we had yikes. So I have learned to notice my belly better and better and how it gets soft or hard and how I can relax it. Totally logical that when your belly is not relaxed, all the organs in that area must suffer with less blood flow 🙁
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Jenny on January 30, 2023, 4:51 am
@inger that sounds like it was very difficult. Alex Howard (a CFS expert) calls the parasympathetic state (rest and digest and detox) the ‘healing state’. On Rachel’s progress thread there is some chat about helpful techniques. I don’t know if you’ve seen? Thought it could be useful. I think I’ve spent the last 6 years largely NOT in parasympathetic!!
It may be useful to start a thread for discussing nervous system calming techniques. There may already be one, I’ll have to check, but I think it’s been discussed under different topic titles. For me this aspect has become of number one importance. It will also help save choline and reduce pyrroles/porphyrins (two of my issues).
@inger that sounds like it was very difficult. Alex Howard (a CFS expert) calls the parasympathetic state (rest and digest and detox) the ‘healing state’. On Rachel’s progress thread there is some chat about helpful techniques. I don’t know if you’ve seen? Thought it could be useful. I think I’ve spent the last 6 years largely NOT in parasympathetic!!
It may be useful to start a thread for discussing nervous system calming techniques. There may already be one, I’ll have to check, but I think it’s been discussed under different topic titles. For me this aspect has become of number one importance. It will also help save choline and reduce pyrroles/porphyrins (two of my issues).
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