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Quote from hillcountry on July 11, 2019, 8:22 pmThanks Dino. I posted the following paper last year on another thread. It's relevant to the EFA discussion.
http://www.longevity-and-antiaging-secrets.com/support-files/bodybio.pdf
Thanks Dino. I posted the following paper last year on another thread. It's relevant to the EFA discussion.
http://www.longevity-and-antiaging-secrets.com/support-files/bodybio.pdf
Quote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 12:23 amQuote from John Fry on July 11, 2019, 8:22 pmThanks Dino. I posted the following paper last year on another thread. It's relevant to the EFA discussion.
http://www.longevity-and-antiaging-secrets.com/support-files/bodybio.pdf
good info
" However, the direct effect on the body is that fish oil suppresses arachidonic acid and other omega 6 fatty acids (Gurr 20026), which further cause metabolic disturbances (see case studies). This is clearly visible in the patient’s red blood cell fatty acid report, showing a distorted fatty acid profile and a disturbed metabolism, much of which is reversible with correct lipid adjustment"
" One of the most important concepts to be gleaned from this review is to gain an appreciation of the value of a-linolenic, ALA, the essential n-3 fatty acid. By focusing solely on the higher n-3 fatty acids, the HUFAs, EPA and DHA, we are shifting homeostasis away from the omega 6s and also away from ALA, which is highly beneficial in its own right..."
"... shown that the most beneficial ratio of essential fats (EFA) is 4 parts of linoleic acid (LA) to 1 part alpha linolenic acid (ALA), 80% omega-6 to 20% omega-3, or a 4:1 EFA ratio. The difficulty of using fl ax oil is that the ratio is wrong. It contains ~17% omega-6 (linoleic) to ~58% omega-3 (linolenic). That’s a 1:3½ ratio compared to Yehuda’s 4:1 --- almost the exact reverse."
"Both saturated fats and cholesterol are hard rigid fats --- and get this --- both are essential for the health of the membrane, but not without an adequate supply of the unsaturated Essential Fatty Acids (PUFAs), which were much higher in fast moving grazing animals in our Paleolithic days. The cell membrane needs both, rigid saturated fats (the backbone) and vibrating active unsaturated lipids (the performers). Life is a balancing act."
" Excessive saturated fats and cholesterol with insufficient vibrating omega-6 and omega-3 EFAs to keep the membrane stream moving creates a recipe for an aging or diseased metabolism, or even an ischemic event."
http://brianpeskin.com/pdf/about/PeskinPrimer.pdf
"There are only two (2) essential fatty acids, LA (parent omega-6) and
ALA (parent omega-3). They MUST come from food. To work properly,
they MUST be NOT heated, chemically unprocessed, organically raised
and processed to guarantee full physiologic functionality. Fast foods
use adulterated, non-functional EFAs that can no longer be termed a fully
functional parent essential oils. "I am eating  1-2 teaspoons of organic hulled hemp seeds daily, hemp oil is rich in carotenoids but hemp seeds not so much, hemp seeds have ideal ratio of omega-3 and 6, I'm storing them in the freezer. Hemp seeds contain GLA too.
Quote from John Fry on July 11, 2019, 8:22 pmThanks Dino. I posted the following paper last year on another thread. It's relevant to the EFA discussion.
http://www.longevity-and-antiaging-secrets.com/support-files/bodybio.pdf
good info
" However, the direct effect on the body is that fish oil suppresses arachidonic acid and other omega 6 fatty acids (Gurr 20026), which further cause metabolic disturbances (see case studies). This is clearly visible in the patient’s red blood cell fatty acid report, showing a distorted fatty acid profile and a disturbed metabolism, much of which is reversible with correct lipid adjustment"
" One of the most important concepts to be gleaned from this review is to gain an appreciation of the value of a-linolenic, ALA, the essential n-3 fatty acid. By focusing solely on the higher n-3 fatty acids, the HUFAs, EPA and DHA, we are shifting homeostasis away from the omega 6s and also away from ALA, which is highly beneficial in its own right..."
"... shown that the most beneficial ratio of essential fats (EFA) is 4 parts of linoleic acid (LA) to 1 part alpha linolenic acid (ALA), 80% omega-6 to 20% omega-3, or a 4:1 EFA ratio. The difficulty of using fl ax oil is that the ratio is wrong. It contains ~17% omega-6 (linoleic) to ~58% omega-3 (linolenic). That’s a 1:3½ ratio compared to Yehuda’s 4:1 --- almost the exact reverse."
"Both saturated fats and cholesterol are hard rigid fats --- and get this --- both are essential for the health of the membrane, but not without an adequate supply of the unsaturated Essential Fatty Acids (PUFAs), which were much higher in fast moving grazing animals in our Paleolithic days. The cell membrane needs both, rigid saturated fats (the backbone) and vibrating active unsaturated lipids (the performers). Life is a balancing act."
" Excessive saturated fats and cholesterol with insufficient vibrating omega-6 and omega-3 EFAs to keep the membrane stream moving creates a recipe for an aging or diseased metabolism, or even an ischemic event."
Click to access PeskinPrimer.pdf
"There are only two (2) essential fatty acids, LA (parent omega-6) and
ALA (parent omega-3). They MUST come from food. To work properly,
they MUST be NOT heated, chemically unprocessed, organically raised
and processed to guarantee full physiologic functionality. Fast foods
use adulterated, non-functional EFAs that can no longer be termed a fully
functional parent essential oils. "
I am eating  1-2 teaspoons of organic hulled hemp seeds daily, hemp oil is rich in carotenoids but hemp seeds not so much, hemp seeds have ideal ratio of omega-3 and 6, I'm storing them in the freezer. Hemp seeds contain GLA too.
Quote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 2:46 amQuote from Sophie on July 12, 2019, 2:03 amAren't hemp seeds high in oxalates? Just curious.
1-2 teaspoons are low... I am eating high oxalate foods too but small amounts, e.g. figs.
hemp seeds: Â Medium per tbsp, Extremely high per 1/2 cup
And oils are very low oxalate. e.g. whole sesame seeds are extremly high in oxalates but sesame oil is very low.
Quote from Sophie on July 12, 2019, 2:03 amAren't hemp seeds high in oxalates? Just curious.
1-2 teaspoons are low... I am eating high oxalate foods too but small amounts, e.g. figs.
hemp seeds: Â Medium per tbsp, Extremely high per 1/2 cup
And oils are very low oxalate. e.g. whole sesame seeds are extremly high in oxalates but sesame oil is very low.
Quote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 3:25 amWAPF hates hempseeds, that's why I should probably eat them 🙂 ....and the high content of linoleic acid makes it particularly unsuitable for human consumption.
But I do not trust most of the oils, so I eat soaked hemp seeds and sprouted sunflower seeds (rich in natural vitamin E) as a compromise.
If you soak older almonds or sunflower seeds - they are partially oxidized but when they germinate a little, they come to life and contain no oxidized fats.
WAPF hates hempseeds, that's why I should probably eat them 🙂 ....and the high content of linoleic acid makes it particularly unsuitable for human consumption.
But I do not trust most of the oils, so I eat soaked hemp seeds and sprouted sunflower seeds (rich in natural vitamin E) as a compromise.
If you soak older almonds or sunflower seeds - they are partially oxidized but when they germinate a little, they come to life and contain no oxidized fats.
Quote from hillcountry on July 12, 2019, 9:02 amQuote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 3:25 amWAPF hates hempseeds, that's why I should probably eat them
....and the high content of linoleic acid makes it particularly unsuitable for human consumption.
But I do not trust most of the oils, so I eat soaked hemp seeds and sprouted sunflower seeds (rich in natural vitamin E) as a compromise.
If you soak older almonds or sunflower seeds - they are partially oxidized but when they germinate a little, they come to life and contain no oxidized fats.
That sounds like a very sensible approach to the problems with the oils. Flora in Canada is the only one I partially trust because they cold-process under a Nitrogen Blanket. They don't appear to do Hemp Oil though. Shipment of these nutritional oils is another potential problem if they're not kept cold on the way to retailers or customers. BodyBio has capsules of safflower and flax that are 4:1 ratio, but they don't ship them cold. Not sure how much it really matters, but seems like it must be a factor. Maybe it's more of a once-opened then-refrigerate kind of thing, but then why do retailers put the bottles in a cold-case.
They show a RBC lipid-analysis near the end of the paper. I've been putting it off for a couple of years, but think I'll do it soon. The reading I've been doing on Cholesterol Sulfate has me focused on the cell membrane again and the EFA lipid part of the equation is equally compelling. I'm 90% convinced that Cholesterol Sulfate has a protective effect against Vit A toxicity in some way, at the cell membrane level, since there is so much overlapping information in the area of various autoimmune conditions. I'd suspect that the EFA lipids are equally important in that regard, given the case studies that Ed and Patricia Kane have published. I did the Budwig Protocol (flax whipped into cottage cheese) off and on for a few years back in the 90's, and I found the same kind of intermittent results they report in their paper. That's when I read Udo Erasmus' book and started using hemp oil in the same way. I can't remember if I already mentioned this detail, but Johanna Budwig said the flax oil and milk proteins combined, which made the oil water-soluble. She had some pretty dramatic results back in the day, but many problems too as the paper mentions. I use a electric whisk for a few minutes to mix them as she recommended.
Some negative Amazon reviews of hemp oil products show that the first order had positive effects and the next order made people sick, likely due to rancidity. So the caution on oils that you mention is well-warranted. We first consumed hemp oil sold at Whole Foods Market back in 1993 and after comparing notes with team members who were also taking it, we realized that there must have been some THC in it, enough to give a very mild spaciness. Something changed along the way as that was no longer the case. Maybe it was a marketing ploy, ha! Thanks for the suggestions, time to break out my sprouting jar. How long do you wait on the sunflower seeds? I've gotten lazy in the last few years and started eating sunflower butter, but it must have some rancidity, so I stopped recently. It can be hard to stay on-track with this stuff, at least for me.
Quote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 3:25 amWAPF hates hempseeds, that's why I should probably eat them
....and the high content of linoleic acid makes it particularly unsuitable for human consumption.
But I do not trust most of the oils, so I eat soaked hemp seeds and sprouted sunflower seeds (rich in natural vitamin E) as a compromise.
If you soak older almonds or sunflower seeds - they are partially oxidized but when they germinate a little, they come to life and contain no oxidized fats.
That sounds like a very sensible approach to the problems with the oils. Flora in Canada is the only one I partially trust because they cold-process under a Nitrogen Blanket. They don't appear to do Hemp Oil though. Shipment of these nutritional oils is another potential problem if they're not kept cold on the way to retailers or customers. BodyBio has capsules of safflower and flax that are 4:1 ratio, but they don't ship them cold. Not sure how much it really matters, but seems like it must be a factor. Maybe it's more of a once-opened then-refrigerate kind of thing, but then why do retailers put the bottles in a cold-case.
They show a RBC lipid-analysis near the end of the paper. I've been putting it off for a couple of years, but think I'll do it soon. The reading I've been doing on Cholesterol Sulfate has me focused on the cell membrane again and the EFA lipid part of the equation is equally compelling. I'm 90% convinced that Cholesterol Sulfate has a protective effect against Vit A toxicity in some way, at the cell membrane level, since there is so much overlapping information in the area of various autoimmune conditions. I'd suspect that the EFA lipids are equally important in that regard, given the case studies that Ed and Patricia Kane have published. I did the Budwig Protocol (flax whipped into cottage cheese) off and on for a few years back in the 90's, and I found the same kind of intermittent results they report in their paper. That's when I read Udo Erasmus' book and started using hemp oil in the same way. I can't remember if I already mentioned this detail, but Johanna Budwig said the flax oil and milk proteins combined, which made the oil water-soluble. She had some pretty dramatic results back in the day, but many problems too as the paper mentions. I use a electric whisk for a few minutes to mix them as she recommended.
Some negative Amazon reviews of hemp oil products show that the first order had positive effects and the next order made people sick, likely due to rancidity. So the caution on oils that you mention is well-warranted. We first consumed hemp oil sold at Whole Foods Market back in 1993 and after comparing notes with team members who were also taking it, we realized that there must have been some THC in it, enough to give a very mild spaciness. Something changed along the way as that was no longer the case. Maybe it was a marketing ploy, ha! Thanks for the suggestions, time to break out my sprouting jar. How long do you wait on the sunflower seeds? I've gotten lazy in the last few years and started eating sunflower butter, but it must have some rancidity, so I stopped recently. It can be hard to stay on-track with this stuff, at least for me.
Quote from bludicka on July 12, 2019, 9:54 amHulled sunflower seeds are very easy to sprout  and very tasty, soaking and 1-2 days sprouting... Sprouted seeds can be a few days in the refrigerator.
https://sproutpeople.org/sunflower-sprouts/
http://sprouting.mybalconyjungle.com/sunflower_sprouts.html
Always buy organic sunflower seeds because of high cadmium and nickel contamination and intact, if they are broken, they won't sprout but soaked are fine too.
If you buy hemp oil, you can freeze it (you can add vitamin E to the oil)Â and leave a small amount in the refrigerator. And always buy organic hemp seeds, because hemp is known to act efficiently in the uptake of heavy metals from soil.
I stopped flaxseed oil completly - phytoestrogens and omega-3 overdose and I am making Budwig mix for my friend with hempseed oil." The lipotropic protein connections, e.g. Cystein, as they are found in Quark, cottage cheese or nuts are able to make water-soluble the biological highly unsaturated vegetable oils in seed oils. And that is what matters. When you mix together
Quark or cottage cheese and linseed oil in your blender the fat becomes water-soluble. If you prepare the same
mixture with fat from a pig which has been fattened on totally wrong feed, the fat no longer combines with the
protein. It separates. You can see this as an illustration of chemistry, in vitro, of what takes place in all the
organism's vital functions, and in its capillary activity, or in the rising of a plant's sap, that fat and protein do
combine. That fat does become water soluble-but only when protein is in combination with highly unsaturated
fats. Those highly, unsaturated fats are, essentially, rich in electrons. This is clearly measurable, physically.
These electrons enable fats to be surface-active at capillary level. Capillary activity is, quite simply, enormously
important. In the centre of the earth as in the centre of the atom, there is much heavy matter. In the sky and in the
outer envelope of the atom there are active, orbiting electrons. When we eat, electron-rich foods tend to move
towards the surface which is of extreme importance for all the vital functions for the secretion of mucous, for the
capillary activity of both the blood, the lymph fluid, and also for excretion through the bladder and intestines."
Hulled sunflower seeds are very easy to sprout  and very tasty, soaking and 1-2 days sprouting... Sprouted seeds can be a few days in the refrigerator.
http://sprouting.mybalconyjungle.com/sunflower_sprouts.html
Always buy organic sunflower seeds because of high cadmium and nickel contamination and intact, if they are broken, they won't sprout but soaked are fine too.
If you buy hemp oil, you can freeze it (you can add vitamin E to the oil)Â and leave a small amount in the refrigerator. And always buy organic hemp seeds, because hemp is known to act efficiently in the uptake of heavy metals from soil.
I stopped flaxseed oil completly - phytoestrogens and omega-3 overdose and I am making Budwig mix for my friend with hempseed oil.
Quark or cottage cheese and linseed oil in your blender the fat becomes water-soluble. If you prepare the same
mixture with fat from a pig which has been fattened on totally wrong feed, the fat no longer combines with the
protein. It separates. You can see this as an illustration of chemistry, in vitro, of what takes place in all the
organism's vital functions, and in its capillary activity, or in the rising of a plant's sap, that fat and protein do
combine. That fat does become water soluble-but only when protein is in combination with highly unsaturated
fats. Those highly, unsaturated fats are, essentially, rich in electrons. This is clearly measurable, physically.
These electrons enable fats to be surface-active at capillary level. Capillary activity is, quite simply, enormously
important. In the centre of the earth as in the centre of the atom, there is much heavy matter. In the sky and in the
outer envelope of the atom there are active, orbiting electrons. When we eat, electron-rich foods tend to move
towards the surface which is of extreme importance for all the vital functions for the secretion of mucous, for the
capillary activity of both the blood, the lymph fluid, and also for excretion through the bladder and intestines."
Quote from SheilaE on July 12, 2019, 10:02 amHi Dino, Regarding the breathing part of your initial post, I agree with much of what you wrote....trying to always breathe through your nose, how breathing affects the pH etc. However, the exercise you mention sounds like huge volume breaths to be done for 10 minutes? This is the opposite of what Buteyko breathing advises. I was worried because on a forum where people are trying to regain their health (with a variety of health issues) this exercise might not be beneficial for most of us.
I've been re-reading my Buteyko books lately, currently 'The Carbon Dioxide Syndrome' by Jennifer and Russell Stark. Regarding the pursed lip breathing part of the breathing exercise you advise, on page 60, they write:
"People with breathing problems have sometimes been taught to breathe through their mouth - doing 'pursed lip' breathing which is where the exhalation is a soft whistle. Any kind of mouth breathing lowers airflow resistance causing the lungs to function less efficiently. Consequently less oxygen reaches the bloodstream, making the heart work a little harder. Apart from making the airways stay open a little longer while exhaling, pursed lip breathing is not useful because it causes a greater loss of water vapour and carbon dioxide, while disrupting cardiac output and blood flow to the chest. This means that it takes more energy to breathe like this, so you actually need more oxygen to do it. (Hough 1997)"
Regarding Wim Hof, Sasha at the Breathing Center , has this to say about his breathing method (it's short and no, it's not all negative). https://www.breathingcenter.com/wim-hof-method-detrimental-breathing-health
As for yoga, for those interested, this is an informative conversation on why yoga teachers are re-thinking teaching deep breathing in their classes :https://www.theconnectedyogateacher.com/062-buteyko-breath-with-steve-donald/
Hi Dino, Regarding the breathing part of your initial post, I agree with much of what you wrote....trying to always breathe through your nose, how breathing affects the pH etc. However, the exercise you mention sounds like huge volume breaths to be done for 10 minutes? This is the opposite of what Buteyko breathing advises. I was worried because on a forum where people are trying to regain their health (with a variety of health issues) this exercise might not be beneficial for most of us.
I've been re-reading my Buteyko books lately, currently 'The Carbon Dioxide Syndrome' by Jennifer and Russell Stark. Regarding the pursed lip breathing part of the breathing exercise you advise, on page 60, they write:
"People with breathing problems have sometimes been taught to breathe through their mouth - doing 'pursed lip' breathing which is where the exhalation is a soft whistle. Any kind of mouth breathing lowers airflow resistance causing the lungs to function less efficiently. Consequently less oxygen reaches the bloodstream, making the heart work a little harder. Apart from making the airways stay open a little longer while exhaling, pursed lip breathing is not useful because it causes a greater loss of water vapour and carbon dioxide, while disrupting cardiac output and blood flow to the chest. This means that it takes more energy to breathe like this, so you actually need more oxygen to do it. (Hough 1997)"
Regarding Wim Hof, Sasha at the Breathing Center , has this to say about his breathing method (it's short and no, it's not all negative). https://www.breathingcenter.com/wim-hof-method-detrimental-breathing-health
As for yoga, for those interested, this is an informative conversation on why yoga teachers are re-thinking teaching deep breathing in their classes :https://www.theconnectedyogateacher.com/062-buteyko-breath-with-steve-donald/
Quote from Dino on July 12, 2019, 10:44 amSheilA: I know Buteyko methods very well and also Wim Hof and holotropic breathing etc.
All these breathing methods are just bits of true yogic lore, scientific rediscoveries of wisdom old as the world. Modern yoga has NOTHING to do with real yoga and is often dangerous as practiced today. For real yoga you can read books from genuine lamas like "tibetan yogas of dream and sleep" from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as an example.
All these methods are good for some things and bad for others so you need to understand what happens. "A" lowers pH. Buteyko lowers pH as well. Wim Hof increases pH. The breath I mention equilibrate pH and purifies blood and organs. Buteyko for example is dangerous if calcium deficient (you will drae more calcium out). Etc.
I have mentioned a few times that is is NOT about big volumes or "deep" breathing. It is long, slow, relaxed breaths with total volume per breath high but very few breaths and total volume per minute actually very low. I have also mentionned that you should actually try the method for a few days before going into big discussions because you can go on forever but only direct experience will settle your doubts. Basically you can try buteyko then wim hof then the complete breath and see by yourself because each "school" defends itself but none of them is complete. Yoga, tantrism, shaivism, taoism are very old and very complete methods.
Please try the breathing exactly as explained for a few days and see what happens. I assure you that you could practice Buteyko for months without the same direct results. Buteyko is good for asthma crises as it lowers the pH but not to detoxify the whole organism or on very long term (usually months even years).
Breathing is life itself and a very broad topic so we should stay on experience and not go into much theory here or enter into its esoteric side. Look at Artur Rakhimov (Buteyko expert); does he look strong and very healthy with trumpet-like harmonious voice? Look at taoist masters. How do they look? Their voice? Their face? Their strenght? Breathe well as explained and look how YOU feel?
And once again the breathing is about slow long relaxed inhalation through nose and slow long strong relaxed exhalation. Otherwise you always use only the nose and you will see that your breathing rhythm will slow naturally over time (so you will have your buteyko result).
Hope it is clear because english isn't my main language and explaining about breathing is difficult without being with the person directly and adjusting the details the posture etc.
Wish you all good luck and health.
Best,
Dino
SheilA: I know Buteyko methods very well and also Wim Hof and holotropic breathing etc.
All these breathing methods are just bits of true yogic lore, scientific rediscoveries of wisdom old as the world. Modern yoga has NOTHING to do with real yoga and is often dangerous as practiced today. For real yoga you can read books from genuine lamas like "tibetan yogas of dream and sleep" from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as an example.
All these methods are good for some things and bad for others so you need to understand what happens. "A" lowers pH. Buteyko lowers pH as well. Wim Hof increases pH. The breath I mention equilibrate pH and purifies blood and organs. Buteyko for example is dangerous if calcium deficient (you will drae more calcium out). Etc.
I have mentioned a few times that is is NOT about big volumes or "deep" breathing. It is long, slow, relaxed breaths with total volume per breath high but very few breaths and total volume per minute actually very low. I have also mentionned that you should actually try the method for a few days before going into big discussions because you can go on forever but only direct experience will settle your doubts. Basically you can try buteyko then wim hof then the complete breath and see by yourself because each "school" defends itself but none of them is complete. Yoga, tantrism, shaivism, taoism are very old and very complete methods.
Please try the breathing exactly as explained for a few days and see what happens. I assure you that you could practice Buteyko for months without the same direct results. Buteyko is good for asthma crises as it lowers the pH but not to detoxify the whole organism or on very long term (usually months even years).
Breathing is life itself and a very broad topic so we should stay on experience and not go into much theory here or enter into its esoteric side. Look at Artur Rakhimov (Buteyko expert); does he look strong and very healthy with trumpet-like harmonious voice? Look at taoist masters. How do they look? Their voice? Their face? Their strenght? Breathe well as explained and look how YOU feel?
And once again the breathing is about slow long relaxed inhalation through nose and slow long strong relaxed exhalation. Otherwise you always use only the nose and you will see that your breathing rhythm will slow naturally over time (so you will have your buteyko result).
Hope it is clear because english isn't my main language and explaining about breathing is difficult without being with the person directly and adjusting the details the posture etc.
Wish you all good luck and health.
Best,
Dino
Quote from lil chick on July 12, 2019, 11:33 amWow your writing is very clear and I had no idea English wasn't your main language! Good job!
Wow your writing is very clear and I had no idea English wasn't your main language! Good job!