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I have been eating cauliflower (steamed) almost everyday for several months, and whole eggs for about the same time.  I was worried my knuckle skin would crack when I added the eggs but they didn't.  Maybe the cauliflower helped.  I was eating a lot of potatoes but quit at about the same time.  I haven't had eczema that I am aware of.  

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@eio Cauliflower is good for choline and eggs are excellent. People do find their skin improves with choline. The eggs do tend to promote a stronger detox so eczema happens for me although it's getting better. I think cauliflower with sulfur also promotes the detox too while helping reduce the leakiness (with the choline too) that leads to some skin problems. Hence, why I'm now increasing these foods.

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Hi @andrew-b, Yes, I'm trying to do beets at least weekly, I'm liking them boiled much more than I liked them fermented.   I eat some cruciferous,  I make krauts and things, and we do occasionally eat cauliflower.  I do drink raw milk, which I love.  Probably of everyone here on Grant's wonderful site I'm the least low in VA!  Definitely on the slow boat.

I bought the shirt and forgot to wash it first.  Then, I wore it for two days and my hands were in and out of water several times.  

Exactly where the wrist elastic was, that is where I got a very bad and sudden rash (both arms).  It was a bit itchy until I washed it.   Then it became hard and scaley the red dots turning to brown over a few days.  One of my wrists is now experiencing some muscle soreness too.

I never had trouble in this area before.  However, my lips have never stopped peeling even after all this time on low VA, which makes me think I might need to "peel the onion" down another layer (perhaps an allergy?)

I will update this thread if my lips suddenly heal.  Not healed in lip or wrist at this time.

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I know this sounds silly but I edit my posts to death until I'm happy with them.  I hope that doesn't drive people here too crazy.

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@lil-chick It's important for women to get more choline as they age. Even eating the eggs will take time as well. I'm 9 months on 3-4 eggs a day although lately sometimes 2 a day and it's still a strong detox. Replenishing the choline more than the betaine is the key. 

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Quote from lil chick on January 31, 2023, 2:54 pm

Hi @andrew-b, Yes, I'm trying to do beets at least weekly, I'm liking them boiled much more than I liked them fermented.   I eat some cruciferous,  I make krauts and things, and we do occasionally eat cauliflower.  I do drink raw milk, which I love.  Probably of everyone here on Grant's wonderful site I'm the least low in VA!  Definitely on the slow boat.

I bought the shirt and forgot to wash it first.  Then, I wore it for two days and my hands were in and out of water several times.  

Exactly where the wrist elastic was, that is where I got a very bad and sudden rash (both arms).  It was a bit itchy until I washed it.   Then it became hard and scaley the red dots turning to brown over a few days.  One of my wrists is now experiencing some muscle soreness too.

I never had trouble in this area before.  However, my lips have never stopped peeling even after all this time on low VA, which makes me think I might need to "peel the onion" down another layer (perhaps an allergy?)

I will update this thread if my lips suddenly heal.  Not healed in lip or wrist at this time.

@lil-chick , I commented in the dried out thread about dry lips.  I had dry, shrunken lips for my whole adult life and used Chapstick all day long.  It wasn't until I tried eating a low vitamin A diet that I was able to kick the habit and I no longer carry chapstick or use anything on my lips.  It may be an allergy in your case but I would try to remove more vitamin A and betacarotene from your diet and increase the choline foods.  

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https://www.dermatitisacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Derm04_blackrubber_AllergenFocus2015.pdf

On this page I think you get a very in-depth discussion of how rubber allergy might actually be allergy to what they use to vulcanize it.   Rubber is changed to a hard substance by adding the same thing they add to hair dye (PPD).  That is why we think of rubber as black like a tire.  But it isn't always (and white rubber elastics can still be allergenic).

(I was told by my stylist long ago that I had an allergy to hair dye)

I find it interesting that a lot of the sites that sell clothing to people with these types of problems have the word eczema in their names.  For instance

https://eczemacompany.com

Seriously, I think there must be a connection to VA and I don't know what it is.  Perhaps it is just the leakyness of unhappy tissues, but perhaps there is more to it.

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We are always trying (or at least many people do try) to figure out if there is some common thread among us here on this site.

Do other people here find that when they get sweaty the elastic in their clothing starts a rash?

Waist band, top of sock, underboob, wrists... and so on

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Perhaps eczema is often this allergy I'm describing.   They say also that asthma can be brought on from this allergy.  

So lets say things go like this:  

1. Your body is storing vitamin a all around, making your tissues unhappy and weak.  

2.  Living in the world, we get exposed to irritants (both natural and man-made)

3.  The broken skin/mucus membranes allow the irritant to break through the barriers one too many times and the body starts seeing it as an invader (like a germ)

4.  The body starts over-reacting to this irritant

Do things reverse like this?

  1.  You start getting rid of vitamin A overload and your tissues mend
  2.  The irritant stops getting into places that it shouldn't be
  3.  The body forgets about the allergy... or at least stops reacting so hard

I read this interesting article:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11867411/

It appears that if you can find the tiniest exposure that DOESN'T upset your body, that perhaps your body stops caring about it.

Perhaps this is how you get rid of allergies.  By healing up the skin/mucous membranes so that exposures seem less dangerous to the body.  

edit:  I have since been warned that trying to desensitize from latex/dye allergy is a dangerous thing to attempt.

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I think it is interesting to note that the skin around my hands and wrists is not that happy right now anyways because it is January and I work with my hands outside and inside and it is dry, cold and windy.  However, I do experience itching in summer too, in areas of elastic especially.  

I also suspect that dyes might be problematic for me, especially dark and blue dyes, (PPD being something that is used in dyes).  It appears that denim is not usually dyed with these problematic dyes.   The offending shirt was black and had elastic AND I hand washed an article of clothing that bled blue dye.

I'm actually not a very sweaty person (menopausal hot flashes aside) and perhaps that is lucky.  In the first article above it did say that even back in the 1940's they saw the connection between sweat and this allergy. 

 

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