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Hi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
Quote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Quote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
Quote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
Quote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:49 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
I know the feeling! I've had constipation for all my life up until a couple years ago from diet change and supplements, and possibly the liver flushes.
I would just rule them out one by one, possibly a two together could make do it. I would start with selenium, then vitamin C, olive oil, then cheese. It may be the brand an not necessarily the item itself as it is with the probiotics.
ACV was another one does it, with flashing artifacts, the worse feeling for my eyes, had to keep my eyes closed and rest. Amoxicillin did the same.
Quote from John on July 13, 2024, 9:04 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:49 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
I know the feeling! I've had constipation for all my life up until a couple years ago from diet change and supplements, and possibly the liver flushes.
I would just rule them out one by one, possibly a two together could make do it. I would start with selenium, then vitamin C, olive oil, then cheese. It may be the brand an not necessarily the item itself as it is with the probiotics.
ACV was another one does it, with flashing artifacts, the worse feeling for my eyes, had to keep my eyes closed and rest. Amoxicillin did the same.
My guess would be maybe the ACV, I've used this brand of vitamin C for several yrs and the dry eyes started when I switched my diet to beef rice and beans and quit OJ and a lot of dairy. I started using ACV on my rice and beans because it tasted way better. Someone suggested oxalates in the beans, but I don't have any other symptoms of oxalates.
Quote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 10:56 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 9:04 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:49 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
I know the feeling! I've had constipation for all my life up until a couple years ago from diet change and supplements, and possibly the liver flushes.
I would just rule them out one by one, possibly a two together could make do it. I would start with selenium, then vitamin C, olive oil, then cheese. It may be the brand an not necessarily the item itself as it is with the probiotics.
ACV was another one does it, with flashing artifacts, the worse feeling for my eyes, had to keep my eyes closed and rest. Amoxicillin did the same.
My guess would be maybe the ACV, I've used this brand of vitamin C for several yrs and the dry eyes started when I switched my diet to beef rice and beans and quit OJ and a lot of dairy. I started using ACV on my rice and beans because it tasted way better. Someone suggested oxalates in the beans, but I don't have any other symptoms of oxalates.
Ah ha, it's most likely the ACV then. If so then we have similar health profiles, what works for you, may work for me or vice versa. We should keep this in mind and follow each others progress. Although OJ, even fresh squeezed gives me a an uncomfortable reaction, not sure if it's the spike in blood sugar or something else about it. Haven't had any OJ since about 5 years now.
Quote from John on July 13, 2024, 11:14 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 10:56 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 9:04 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:49 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
I know the feeling! I've had constipation for all my life up until a couple years ago from diet change and supplements, and possibly the liver flushes.
I would just rule them out one by one, possibly a two together could make do it. I would start with selenium, then vitamin C, olive oil, then cheese. It may be the brand an not necessarily the item itself as it is with the probiotics.
ACV was another one does it, with flashing artifacts, the worse feeling for my eyes, had to keep my eyes closed and rest. Amoxicillin did the same.
My guess would be maybe the ACV, I've used this brand of vitamin C for several yrs and the dry eyes started when I switched my diet to beef rice and beans and quit OJ and a lot of dairy. I started using ACV on my rice and beans because it tasted way better. Someone suggested oxalates in the beans, but I don't have any other symptoms of oxalates.
Ah ha, it's most likely the ACV then. If so then we have similar health profiles, what works for you, may work for me or vice versa. We should keep this in mind and follow each others progress. Although OJ, even fresh squeezed gives me a an uncomfortable reaction, not sure if it's the spike in blood sugar or something else about it. Haven't had any OJ since about 5 years now.
Will definitely trial no ACV. I've been meaning to. I also realized I've been sitting under a vent that blasts cold air on me for hours a day. I moved where I sit today and it feels better, but my eyeballs are still sore.
Quote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 1:27 pmQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 11:14 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 10:56 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 9:04 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:49 amQuote from John on July 13, 2024, 8:34 amQuote from Janelle525 on July 13, 2024, 8:17 amQuote from tim on July 13, 2024, 7:29 amHi @janelle525,
Thank you. How are you and your husband doing since we last spoke?
Random question, what is your opinion of zinc supplementation? Have you ever taken zinc for a significant period of time?
There's some interesting research on the implications and frequency of zinc deficiency some of it quite recent that I've been reading recently.
I'm doing pretty good! Just one concerning symptom: dry eyes. They got super bad in the last month particularly sitting under the vent blowing AC on me while on the laptop. But even after sleep they'd feel bone dry. I may have gone too low in fat? I've been eating black beans three times a day, kamut pasta, white rice, beef, chicken, some cheese, and I've been using olive oil instead of butter in the last few days. The only supplement I take is a little vitamin C, and trialing some selenium. I figured with the beef I was fine on zinc but it's possible I need more. I don't really have any other symptoms besides my buttcrack rash that has gotten better since the beef beans and rice diet.
My husband has lost 50 lbs on the carnivore diet in 5 months. His kidney function tests weren't looking so good though... I think it'd be better with some beans. He is convinced he needs to stick to the meat mainly, but he does eat meat chili every now and then.
Dry eyes are probably from something you are ingesting. I get dry eyes from different supplements, berberine especially, but also from some probiotics, flaxseed oil, wheatgrass and some others. Stop and starts confirms it so in my case I'm very certain.
I hope it's not the beans! I'm having near perfect stool every morning for the first time in my life!
I know the feeling! I've had constipation for all my life up until a couple years ago from diet change and supplements, and possibly the liver flushes.
I would just rule them out one by one, possibly a two together could make do it. I would start with selenium, then vitamin C, olive oil, then cheese. It may be the brand an not necessarily the item itself as it is with the probiotics.
ACV was another one does it, with flashing artifacts, the worse feeling for my eyes, had to keep my eyes closed and rest. Amoxicillin did the same.
My guess would be maybe the ACV, I've used this brand of vitamin C for several yrs and the dry eyes started when I switched my diet to beef rice and beans and quit OJ and a lot of dairy. I started using ACV on my rice and beans because it tasted way better. Someone suggested oxalates in the beans, but I don't have any other symptoms of oxalates.
Ah ha, it's most likely the ACV then. If so then we have similar health profiles, what works for you, may work for me or vice versa. We should keep this in mind and follow each others progress. Although OJ, even fresh squeezed gives me a an uncomfortable reaction, not sure if it's the spike in blood sugar or something else about it. Haven't had any OJ since about 5 years now.
Will definitely trial no ACV. I've been meaning to. I also realized I've been sitting under a vent that blasts cold air on me for hours a day. I moved where I sit today and it feels better, but my eyeballs are still sore.
I'm guessing the AC is just secondary and likely won't be an issue once the main cause is corrected. I think it might be worse in hotter weather where more moisture can evaporate quicker, just a theory though. Unless you're sitting at a very low angle, or even laying down reading or watching something, that is known to give me dry eyes on it's own.
Yeah eating meat only will place significant stress on the liver and kidneys.
Re the dry eyes have you tested your serum retinol level recently?
I mentioned zinc not to imply you would benefit from it, I'm just interested in other's experiences with it. It's just something I've been researching recently.
Zinc deficiency causes liver dysfunction, insulin resistance, autoimmunity, magnesium deficiency, vitamin A dysregulation, dysregulation of stomach acid production, dysregulation of endogenous choline synthesis, thyroid dysfunction, skin and hair problems, gut dysfunction, adrenal problems, high blood pressure, brain fog and fatigue. It's not easily tested for and recent research indicates high rates of insufficiency in Western countries.
It appears that zinc insufficiency (due to both hyperzincuria and low dietary intakes) may be close to universal in those with liver dysfunction which is most people with chronic health conditions.