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Long term vitA toleration with low A diet
Quote from
Matrixik on February 2, 2019, 12:19 pm
I have some questions floating in my mind so I'll put them here.
We know that Grant did not tolerate supplementing vitA after 2 years of diet.
Why? Does anyone else have similar problem? What is the underlying problem? Does his liver stoped being able to store vitA? Or did not get rid of old vitA but hold it for/bacause of something? No more gut bacteries able to interfere with vitA absorption? Some enzymes stoped being produced?
Personally I would prefer to avoid for my body to became very reactive to any amounts of vitA. I love eating new stuff and I would like to do this from time to time. Last winter skin on my hands was cracking to the blood. I started eating low vitA in October and my hands was dry at times but even after holidays it was quite OK (I tried avoiding highest sources).
But now I went for 3 days to Berlin and after 3 days skin on my hands is cracking to blood again. I ate some yoghurt and cakes on breakfast (hotel) and big portion of schnitzel (pork) with green peas. Evening that day my hands started to hurt when put under hot water (inflamed top of hands). Other day ate great curry. Some of the curry got on top of my hand and this part got even more inflamed and some yellowish colour. I'm only 32 and I would hate to avoid vitA to end of my live.
Ups, it got a little too long. As you can see it's more questions than answers for me.
I have some questions floating in my mind so I'll put them here.
We know that Grant did not tolerate supplementing vitA after 2 years of diet.
Why? Does anyone else have similar problem? What is the underlying problem? Does his liver stoped being able to store vitA? Or did not get rid of old vitA but hold it for/bacause of something? No more gut bacteries able to interfere with vitA absorption? Some enzymes stoped being produced?
Personally I would prefer to avoid for my body to became very reactive to any amounts of vitA. I love eating new stuff and I would like to do this from time to time. Last winter skin on my hands was cracking to the blood. I started eating low vitA in October and my hands was dry at times but even after holidays it was quite OK (I tried avoiding highest sources).
But now I went for 3 days to Berlin and after 3 days skin on my hands is cracking to blood again. I ate some yoghurt and cakes on breakfast (hotel) and big portion of schnitzel (pork) with green peas. Evening that day my hands started to hurt when put under hot water (inflamed top of hands). Other day ate great curry. Some of the curry got on top of my hand and this part got even more inflamed and some yellowish colour. I'm only 32 and I would hate to avoid vitA to end of my live.
Ups, it got a little too long. As you can see it's more questions than answers for me.
Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 1:10 pm
I wonder if you could try eating just a little bit more vA every few days or so? I have the same fear as you do but am not ready to resume eating higher vA since I do not think I am done with detox.
I wonder if you could try eating just a little bit more vA every few days or so? I have the same fear as you do but am not ready to resume eating higher vA since I do not think I am done with detox.
Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 1:53 pm
We go out to eat about once a week and I just eat whatever I’m feeling. Maybe it’s good maybe it’s bad but it helps me not be afraid of A and also if your diet is not super strict you are still getting a little bit of A everyday. I did find it weird that Grant’s symptoms flared with just a little vitamin A.
We go out to eat about once a week and I just eat whatever I’m feeling. Maybe it’s good maybe it’s bad but it helps me not be afraid of A and also if your diet is not super strict you are still getting a little bit of A everyday. I did find it weird that Grant’s symptoms flared with just a little vitamin A.
Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 2:07 pm
Hello,
I asked myself the same question as I always ate and tolerated vit A without problems while some family members not. I have made a post named "Vitamin K2" where I talk about that. The best answer so far for me would be that the A causes problems only when you have depleted your K2 levels and/or are filled with aluminum within your tissues. The "cure" would then be to deplete your excess A while at the same time increasing K2 within your tissues and detoxing your aluminum stores.
Best,
Dino
Hello,
I asked myself the same question as I always ate and tolerated vit A without problems while some family members not. I have made a post named "Vitamin K2" where I talk about that. The best answer so far for me would be that the A causes problems only when you have depleted your K2 levels and/or are filled with aluminum within your tissues. The "cure" would then be to deplete your excess A while at the same time increasing K2 within your tissues and detoxing your aluminum stores.
Best,
Dino
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Orion on February 2, 2019, 2:43 pm
I am thinking that lots of sunlight, extra vitamin E and K2, during and after detox might allow for vitA to be in the diet again at RDA levels. Avoiding for a lifetime will be hard indeed.
I am thinking that lots of sunlight, extra vitamin E and K2, during and after detox might allow for vitA to be in the diet again at RDA levels. Avoiding for a lifetime will be hard indeed.
Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 3:43 pm
After 7 months of doing low A I’m starting to think that I might treat it like I do gluten (as a celiac). I just feel so good for the first time in memory that I’m not willing to toy with my health anymore. I might try a little bit after 9-12 months just to see how it goes but I’m leaning towards low A being a permanent part of my life. I was not fully convinced of the theory when I first started but I was desperate and suffering but now I’m improved or improving with every issue I had so it looks like it will be a lifestyle for me.
I’m 99.9% sure Grant’s theory is correct. I definitely feel like I have recovered from a long, slow poisoning. Some days I get a few tears of joy over it all.
Bella
After 7 months of doing low A I’m starting to think that I might treat it like I do gluten (as a celiac). I just feel so good for the first time in memory that I’m not willing to toy with my health anymore. I might try a little bit after 9-12 months just to see how it goes but I’m leaning towards low A being a permanent part of my life. I was not fully convinced of the theory when I first started but I was desperate and suffering but now I’m improved or improving with every issue I had so it looks like it will be a lifestyle for me.
I’m 99.9% sure Grant’s theory is correct. I definitely feel like I have recovered from a long, slow poisoning. Some days I get a few tears of joy over it all.
Bella
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Mokus on February 2, 2019, 4:18 pm
I think it comes down to what else you are doing to support the detox. If you are still in a detox phase then I suspect you will react more to higher VA foods. Grant didn't do much extra supplementing so maybe this would make a difference.
I also wonder how I will approach post detox with VA. My main focus has been to explore a variety in a low VA diet so that we feel satisfied. I have approached low VA with a long term focus so that I have more chance of success and less pull for higher VA foods.
I think it comes down to what else you are doing to support the detox. If you are still in a detox phase then I suspect you will react more to higher VA foods. Grant didn't do much extra supplementing so maybe this would make a difference.
I also wonder how I will approach post detox with VA. My main focus has been to explore a variety in a low VA diet so that we feel satisfied. I have approached low VA with a long term focus so that I have more chance of success and less pull for higher VA foods.
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Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 5:09 pm
Maybe an approach to increase tolerance by starting with a small dose and slowly increasing would work. It is a technique used for allergies. I don't remember if they fully recover, but I think the goal is to prevent a full allergic reaction in case of accidental intake.
I would certainly like the freedom to eat anything, but I also don't like how I feel after eating too much A.
Maybe an approach to increase tolerance by starting with a small dose and slowly increasing would work. It is a technique used for allergies. I don't remember if they fully recover, but I think the goal is to prevent a full allergic reaction in case of accidental intake.
I would certainly like the freedom to eat anything, but I also don't like how I feel after eating too much A.
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Bella on February 2, 2019, 6:41 pm
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Mokus on February 2, 2019, 4:18 pm
I think it comes down to what else you are doing to support the detox. If you are still in a detox phase then I suspect you will react more to higher VA foods. Grant didn't do much extra supplementing so maybe this would make a difference.
I also wonder how I will approach post detox with VA. My main focus has been to explore a variety in a low VA diet so that we feel satisfied. I have approached low VA with a long term focus so that I have more chance of success and less pull for higher VA foods.
So far to help through Detox I've donated blood 3 times, gone to the tanning bed 1-2 times per week (not sure if this is helpful but I do feel it helps me in general), try to get regular physical activity, take vitamin C daily and recently added taurine back to my regimen.
Quote from
Mokus on February 2, 2019, 4:18 pm
I think it comes down to what else you are doing to support the detox. If you are still in a detox phase then I suspect you will react more to higher VA foods. Grant didn't do much extra supplementing so maybe this would make a difference.
I also wonder how I will approach post detox with VA. My main focus has been to explore a variety in a low VA diet so that we feel satisfied. I have approached low VA with a long term focus so that I have more chance of success and less pull for higher VA foods.
So far to help through Detox I've donated blood 3 times, gone to the tanning bed 1-2 times per week (not sure if this is helpful but I do feel it helps me in general), try to get regular physical activity, take vitamin C daily and recently added taurine back to my regimen.
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I've thought about this since yesterday. I am not sure there is a way out of this diet.
I'm seeing this like a drug, say alcohol. People consume alcohol for the pleasure of it knowing that it can have detrimental effects on their health.
Once you start to see the direct relationship between your diet and your health, there is no turning back. You can still indulge on special occasions, but like with alcohol, your body will let you know when you went overboard by feeling off for a while. Don't forget that the body is a master of healing if you let him the chance to do so.
Then there's @Dino who seems fine with A. He might have a greater tolerance because of a gene or environmental factors.
I've thought about this since yesterday. I am not sure there is a way out of this diet.
I'm seeing this like a drug, say alcohol. People consume alcohol for the pleasure of it knowing that it can have detrimental effects on their health.
Once you start to see the direct relationship between your diet and your health, there is no turning back. You can still indulge on special occasions, but like with alcohol, your body will let you know when you went overboard by feeling off for a while. Don't forget that the body is a master of healing if you let him the chance to do so.
Then there's @Dino who seems fine with A. He might have a greater tolerance because of a gene or environmental factors.
