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Quote from lil chick on August 2, 2023, 6:19 amHmmm I actually do think that micro evolution had plenty of time to occur in the past, even in a few generations! People who migrated into new places who weren't OK with the regional diet died before they had children or were so unwell that their family didn't prosper. Not really evolution per se, but the family tree got pruned.
In the past, I do agree there was an aspect of "unwell children probably didn't make it past the early years", leading to stronger adult populations. But that was part and parcel of the micro-evolution that led to populations that were adapted to regional food sheds. Weak mothers unable to turn out strong babies, or weak toddlers with upset guts.
That is why I often say that you should see how your own, personal ancestors ate a few generations back. Of course, you might be a mix of several regional diets, confusing the issue. I wish that I never reverted from the naturally low-ish VA diet handed to my grandmother from her old-world German parents. It seems that even though I've also got French genes, that my diet needs are much more Germanic/Northern European. My grandmother, 100% German, was not a mix and ate the way her old-world parents ate and she benefitted, as did several of her siblings. Her parents had 12 children, 11 of whom made it to adulthood through the depression on a mill-worker's salary. 3 were centenarians.
I feel sorry for the untimely death of the vegan blogger mentioned on another thread, because I feel that everyone wants to be that hero who says "hey, look, we've been doing this wrong!" except there is nothing new on this Earth. Could my two germanic great-grandparents give birth to a child who actually needed to live on tropical fruits and seed sprouts? Doubtful. It could happen but it's doubtful. And if tropical fruits was best for that one child, I doubt it would be best for their other 11 children.
My opinion (for what it's worth) is that the most important thing we get from food is calories and the most important thing to avoid is toxins of all kinds. I think that Tiago cut back on some of his toxic load when he read Grant's material and it helped his pancreas heal. Your toxic load is like a bucket, and VA is only one thing going in there. Avoiding VA for a long time might cause you to load the bucket with other toxins, I suppose, and might lead to different new problems. Unless someone is living with Grant, and has his genetic makeup, they might have different results. I think it still remains true that VA goes in the toxic-load bucket. There is no zero-toxin Earthly diet.
When you eat a wider selection of foods, there might be a benefit in that the toxins might be all different. If you just eat one food, perhaps you start having an overload of a specific toxin. However, when you have, say, only 3 foods in your diet your flora can get really good at digesting them. You can rely on your gut to be the same every day. Which is nice. Until you, for some reason, eat outside your norms. Then you suffer. We see this with our pets when they are used to their kibble and someone gives them table foods and they end up with the runs.
It does seem like some need/benefit from daily legumes. A tool for some on this road and not others. Just like being gluten free is a tool some on this road need, and not others. Probably both tools can be temporary in the long run. I see Grant's prison diet also as a tool that can be temporary.
I agree with basically all you are saying here. I would add that yes I think our great-grandparents often were better of then us. Though I have come to slightly modify my optimism about that the last years as I realize the level of malnutrition that was widespread, and the lifestyle that it required, with people working themselves to death. I think we often make assumptions based on our grandparents who sort of got the "best" of both worlds - them growing up without so much garbage around but still enjoying more leasure and some parts of modern nutrition stopping actual malnurishment. Still I think that if we compare to more "primitive" populations theire health were generally not too good. Iam not recommending doing hunter-gatherer copying, but they die from different causes (mainly parasites, infections and accidents).
Edit: I want to add that about the microbiom. I think that most "natural" populations solve that equation by poorer hygiene and the 5%+ of varied intakes. Doesnt mean its better or worse, but they do the staple foods with added dirt and miscellanous plants and grub
"It seems to me that you still have relatively high serum retinol levels. The yellow diarrhea sounds like detox to me, "
Relatively high to what? What is a "normal" retinol serum level? Zero? And compared with what? The general health status of the person?
Why do you say that a yellow diarrhea is a symptom of VA detox? What is the factual evidence for that? When someone goes to hospital, with clinical VA overdose, is the yellow diarrhea a common symptom of the patient discharging the VA? Based on your idea then all the people on this forum that is detoxing VA (without the magic beans) should have yellow diarrhea, right?
What are your values of retinol? And what is your overall health? How the two correlates? Are your serum levels lowering and your health improving? If yes, good to you and I wish the best recovery.
More and more, all the replies is all about "sounds like, i think that..", but no one has the data to support. In my case, my data shows that retinol serum levels do not correlate with "better overall health".
How many members in this forum have this kind of correlation? Blood serum levels vs. health status?
The true fact, that everyone can confirm lurking the forum is that the VA detox theory is failing for the majority of the members and I do not see any point in digging a bigger hole in my health.
I wish you all a good recovery.
In the meantime I will try to buy some stocks on beans companies. If the trend takes off, beans will become the new "magic food" and I want to earn some easy money.
It sounds like you should take some of your own medicine, you come off as an enlightened being that just found the truth, but you have in fact thought this (that you found the holy elixir) so many times before - you have written so yourself. You do not sound more happy, that is for sure. You for sure do not have any data for anything. You changed so much stuff all of a sudden it is impossible to conclude with anything. And you talk about the majority of members? Where the heck do you get this from? Get off your high horse!
Yes, you can go into my own thread and read about my progress. I have more tests than you, and yes, lower serum retinol levels correlate with better health - for me.
As you might remember, i am the other guy who had type I/III diabetes and recovered from it with dietary changes. You are still the only other low-insulin guy who has not tested positive for type I antibodies that I have encountered on the internet.
I am glad you are doing well. I recovered from the low-insulin diabetes by eating a raw carnivore diet. I am still on that diet although I stopped eating vitamin A animal foods two years ago. I've been focusing on environmental toxins like EMFs and mold during the past year and more.
"Its a commonly accepted fact that bransize dimnished and I'd challenge you to prove otherwise." You do not need to chalenge me. But has the brain size decreased because of "bad food", or it was only a evolution step to ditch weight and optimize? Elephants have big brains - maybe we should eat like one?
"I have no idea what you are referring to with re-poisoning. " Sorry for that, that was a comment for @inger.
Thank you for suggesting to read your progress report. Now I understand your "extreme reaction". Your "path" is very similar to mine. Congratulations, you only need to keep pushing to go to 0.28 or even zero like @ggenereux2014.
If you read carefully, your diet is very similar to the one I was doing - even no beans. Two years after I started, when I made my original post I was really convinced that I had found the "holy grail". Two years more, and "crash, boom, bang." And before the crash, no changes on the diet, so apart from your convinctions and fears, there is a very factual conclusion: it has not worked for me. And there is no need for beans to "detox" as your results show. Thanks for that.
"And you talk about the majority of members? Where the heck do you get this from? Get off your high horse!"
When someone like @andrew-b says that "At least 80% of the people I know doing this diet have suffered in some way now or previously before choline or eggs were re introduced." 80% is bigger than 50%, right? And it seems that the setback is something very real, right? It is so real, that @ggenereux2014 had to make a post and create a tread to tackle the issues with the "perfect diet".
For me, it took 4 years to crash. Hope that never happens to you. Because if it happens, beside being a tragic event that I do not wish to anyone, then, at that time, from what animal will you get off?
A side note. I could have chosen to not share my progress. But I chose to do so, even knowing that the majority of you will discard something that goes against your beliefs. And why? Because I know that a lot of people believe in this diet due to some "extraordinary" success stories, like mine. Yeah, the success story is no more and therefore I can no longer allow that other people read a success story and because of that they might end to make a dangerous health decision.
But now, after I have reported what has happened to me, I am at peace. What you will do with this information is something, that in reality, I couldn't care less.
@tiago the challenge was more a way of saying this is well established in research so I feel the burden of proof is on your side. It was not an energy-efficiancy development as might be argued about the general change in brain size from neanderthal to homo sapiens (though it is debateable if it was or not), but no such serious theories have been issued when it comes to the advance of agriculture. The braincase actually tended to slightly increase again as the agrarian populations learned better to balance their new main food sources but has on general stayed smaller. You can easily google this but here is the first result from doing so:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2002684/Were-getting-smaller-brains-shrinking-farming-blame.html
edit. I stand corrected. there are actually some scientists lately who has proposed your theory, though I havent seen good evidence of this
edit #2. I want to just answer the elephant thing specifically - while they are one the higher end of the intelligence scale of animals the brain size to body size ratio is what is deemed the major determinant. Im not saying that big brains are always better - including from a health perspective - and I dont have to many recomendations going on, but if a diet causes retarded development/developmental disorders that is a sign something is not right. Deficiencies seldom lead to good things
“When someone like @andrew-b says that "At least 80% of the people I know doing this diet have suffered in some way now or previously before choline or eggs were re introduced." 80% is bigger than 50%, right?”
hahahha so you’re literally basing that statement off a random stat that Andrew B made up.
I’ve seen a lot of people shit on low VA but their only alternative is to “eat diverse foods” as if we hadn’t thought of that or tried that already.
I don’t see the point in mocking beans either. The bean protocol has seemed to work for a lot of people and is seperate from Grant’s theory of VA toxicity.
I don’t know for sure if the VA theory is correct or not, I question it all the time, but unless someone else can explain why nordic countries have 100x the rate of autoimmune disease in comparison to south-east asian countries then that is the theory I will lean towards.
I often consider the vaccination rates, there could definitely be something going on there no doubt.
If it is the vaccines that are at the root cause of these health disparities, there’s unfortunately nothing I can do in my personal situation to reverse the vaccinations I had no choice in receiving.
You have made a valid point with the vaccines, the only thing that has put doubt in my mind about vaccines is the existence of autoimmune diseases (even if they were rare) prior to the rollout of vaccines.
I’m not too interested in sunlight. I’m from Australia where there is an abundance of sunlight and an abundance of autoimmune disease. In my life personally I’ve had exposure to more than enough. Even if we wanted to go down that road, VA is inextricably linked to Vitamin D and is a known antagonist.
To your final point. Yes. Nordic countries are pretty much no #1 in autoimmune disease and south east asia is pretty much last (if we’re talking about countries that are capable of producing accurate medical data).
I’m not sure what the specific cause is, you make a good point with dairy vs retinol and egg consumption in southeast asia, one that I have often thought about.
In my mind and in my opinion, dairy is certainly linked to chronic illness. This is also shaped by my own bias as I had an insane amount of dairy growing up. The thing is I’m not sure what it is about dairy that could cause issues. This is where retinol toxicity theory comes in, despite the holes in some of the science and logic. I am open to having mind changed and shifted with good enough evidence or alternative theories.
I respect your theory for the high rates of autoimmunity. I think vaccines could very well be the main cause.
Quote from BodeFofinho on August 2, 2023, 1:31 pmThank you for suggesting to read your progress report. Now I understand your "extreme reaction". Your "path" is very similar to mine. Congratulations, you only need to keep pushing to go to 0.28 or even zero like @ggenereux2014.
If you read carefully, your diet is very similar to the one I was doing - even no beans. Two years after I started, when I made my original post I was really convinced that I had found the "holy grail". Two years more, and "crash, boom, bang." And before the crash, no changes on the diet, so apart from your convinctions and fears, there is a very factual conclusion: it has not worked for me. And there is no need for beans to "detox" as your results show. Thanks for that.
"And you talk about the majority of members? Where the heck do you get this from? Get off your high horse!"
When someone like @andrew-b says that "At least 80% of the people I know doing this diet have suffered in some way now or previously before choline or eggs were re introduced." 80% is bigger than 50%, right? And it seems that the setback is something very real, right? It is so real, that @ggenereux2014 had to make a post and create a tread to tackle the issues with the "perfect diet".
For me, it took 4 years to crash. Hope that never happens to you. Because if it happens, beside being a tragic event that I do not wish to anyone, then, at that time, from what animal will you get off?
A side note. I could have chosen to not share my progress. But I chose to do so, even knowing that the majority of you will discard something that goes against your beliefs. And why? Because I know that a lot of people believe in this diet due to some "extraordinary" success stories, like mine. Yeah, the success story is no more and therefore I can no longer allow that other people read a success story and because of that they might end to make a dangerous health decision.
But now, after I have reported what has happened to me, I am at peace. What you will do with this information is something, that in reality, I couldn't care less.
@tiago you are completely losing it here! Your data is some guy with a Jesus complex saying «80%», and you come here and talk about «data»? Jesus…
And I have not said anything about anything, I am merely asking you some question, and you go off like a crack baby! Yellow diarrhea sounds like detoxing to me, because, like I said, @wavy talked about a similar thing. I am not claiming it is detox. I am not even saying you are wrong about anything. I’m really glad you fixed your kids eyes, like really happy, even though you are acting like a total douche about it. You started this journey with diabetes, remember? You were sick, went off your meds or whatever, and now you need somebody to blame, because you were so sure you found the medicine for you! And you didn’t even get to a low serum retinol level… and stop with the ironic congratulations, so lame..
If I crash in 1 year, when I’ve been on this diet for 4 years, I will try to figure out why, instead of stuffing my self with VA! If my issues were not VA-related after all, there might be some other people on this forum that really needs to avoid VA, and I will cheer them on!
Quote from BodeFofinho on August 2, 2023, 1:31 pm"I have no idea what you are referring to with re-poisoning. " Sorry for that, that was a comment for @inger.
@tiago I meant the enterohepatic circulation and re absorbing the bile. Sorry I sometimes mix languages and worlds lol
I am thankful this thread exist and I am very thankful you share your story so openly even if the result were different that many would have expected maybe. This journey is not about expectations after all - its about reality. The long time stories are super valuable.