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tim on July 11, 2020, 9:14 am
@jiri
SIBO destroys thiamin too, hydrogen sulfide gas and thiamin are not friends.
I don't have a clue if I'm getting enough thiamin for my bodies current requirements, I'm just eating my whole grains and beans like a good little pleb. I felt worse when taking thiamin hcl 100 mg.
@jiri
SIBO destroys thiamin too, hydrogen sulfide gas and thiamin are not friends.
I don't have a clue if I'm getting enough thiamin for my bodies current requirements, I'm just eating my whole grains and beans like a good little pleb. I felt worse when taking thiamin hcl 100 mg.
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Matrixik on July 11, 2020, 10:04 am
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tim on July 11, 2020, 7:16 am
@matrixik
What bloodwork have you had and what have you found? When you say low metabolism I'm assuming you are talking about hypothyroidism?
I did some bloodwork for this like TSH (around 2.5 µlU/mL in 2018, FT3 and FT4 in range, minimal testosterone levels). It was around the time that I fixed with my mum her Hashimoto and though they are quite OK so did not spend more on them (and blood tests are already expensive for me...). There is far simpler one: checking your body temperature first thing in the morning. Before going out of bed (it will already change it) I was taking reading under my tongue (with classic thermometer). For years it was around 35.9-36.0 °C and I was freezing in the night when it was hot. Very slow healing (marks after needle for blood tests was still visible after one and half month), no body smell when sweating (low testosterone). Checking body temperature this way tell what is helping and what's not (or before food and 20 minutes after, but this more if you are running on cortisol).
Now my morning temperature is around 36.5-36.6 °C and I heal way faster, and as wrote earlier I finally can see strength progress. There is also quite strong body odour that I can smell but apparently is not felt much by others.
I learned about this way of checking on sites about natural way of increasing testosterone.
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tim on July 11, 2020, 7:16 am
@matrixik
What bloodwork have you had and what have you found? When you say low metabolism I'm assuming you are talking about hypothyroidism?
I did some bloodwork for this like TSH (around 2.5 µlU/mL in 2018, FT3 and FT4 in range, minimal testosterone levels). It was around the time that I fixed with my mum her Hashimoto and though they are quite OK so did not spend more on them (and blood tests are already expensive for me...). There is far simpler one: checking your body temperature first thing in the morning. Before going out of bed (it will already change it) I was taking reading under my tongue (with classic thermometer). For years it was around 35.9-36.0 °C and I was freezing in the night when it was hot. Very slow healing (marks after needle for blood tests was still visible after one and half month), no body smell when sweating (low testosterone). Checking body temperature this way tell what is helping and what's not (or before food and 20 minutes after, but this more if you are running on cortisol).
Now my morning temperature is around 36.5-36.6 °C and I heal way faster, and as wrote earlier I finally can see strength progress. There is also quite strong body odour that I can smell but apparently is not felt much by others.
I learned about this way of checking on sites about natural way of increasing testosterone.
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Matrixik on July 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Jiří on July 10, 2020, 10:52 am
@matrixik stretching without resistant training is a bad idea. Hypermobility is much worse for joints, spine than be less flexible. Bike is good for blood flow not for mobility heh.. Because during cycling you use very limited ranges of motion.. Gaining 3 kg in 2 months is nothing. People that started eat more to speed up metabolism usually gain at least 10-20kg and yes it is mostly fat. Why would body make from extra calories muscles? The body needs stored fats for worse times. Once you keep eating good amount of calories for long enough than the body will be like "ok we are good. We have enough food. We can make some new muscle now." But again you need to stimulate the body with resistant training. Ideally free weights like squats, deadlifts and low reps, heavy weights... Anyway I need to train at least calisthenics all the time. Muscles are the only thing that holds my body together. I have that advantage doing bodybuilding 10 years. So I can build muscles very easy due to muscle memory. It is like with obese people. Once you get really fat. It is very easy to get fat again...
That's why I didn't include yoga there (btw. I found once body builder that created own yoga lessons without exercises that cause hypermobility and problems in the gym https://www.strengthcamp.co/lhy100challenge ).
I prefer the way it happened to me: increased metabolism with stable weight.
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Jiří on July 10, 2020, 10:52 am
@matrixik stretching without resistant training is a bad idea. Hypermobility is much worse for joints, spine than be less flexible. Bike is good for blood flow not for mobility heh.. Because during cycling you use very limited ranges of motion.. Gaining 3 kg in 2 months is nothing. People that started eat more to speed up metabolism usually gain at least 10-20kg and yes it is mostly fat. Why would body make from extra calories muscles? The body needs stored fats for worse times. Once you keep eating good amount of calories for long enough than the body will be like "ok we are good. We have enough food. We can make some new muscle now." But again you need to stimulate the body with resistant training. Ideally free weights like squats, deadlifts and low reps, heavy weights... Anyway I need to train at least calisthenics all the time. Muscles are the only thing that holds my body together. I have that advantage doing bodybuilding 10 years. So I can build muscles very easy due to muscle memory. It is like with obese people. Once you get really fat. It is very easy to get fat again...
That's why I didn't include yoga there (btw. I found once body builder that created own yoga lessons without exercises that cause hypermobility and problems in the gym https://www.strengthcamp.co/lhy100challenge ).
I prefer the way it happened to me: increased metabolism with stable weight.
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Orion on July 11, 2020, 11:26 am
@tim-2 I believe the shrinking part is true, it is working for me starting at the extremities and working towards my inner body and head, it is just so agonizingly slow, back shoulders and chest are doing much better, another year and I should be all set. Face will probably be last and take the longest.
Completely agree with your beer choice, I find hoppy beers horrible with a pine wood taste. Love lagers, have lots of great Canadian beers, but usually always keep some Heineken in the fridge. I try to keep it to the weekends.
@tim-2 I believe the shrinking part is true, it is working for me starting at the extremities and working towards my inner body and head, it is just so agonizingly slow, back shoulders and chest are doing much better, another year and I should be all set. Face will probably be last and take the longest.
Completely agree with your beer choice, I find hoppy beers horrible with a pine wood taste. Love lagers, have lots of great Canadian beers, but usually always keep some Heineken in the fridge. I try to keep it to the weekends.
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Jiří on July 11, 2020, 11:56 am
@tim-2 Yes SIBO can cause a lot of health issues. But SIBO will go away as soon as your stomach acid and bile flow works as it should... SIBO is not a cause. SIBO is just another symptom of another issue. Heh I remember when I crashed for the first time. I was reading about "candida test". You spit into a glass of water and if you see something like spider web floating around i the water= YOU HAVE CANDIDA.. 😀 I was in panic mode "Omg I have candida I need to call a doctor like right now.." Now 8 years latter I know little more... 🙂
@tim-2 Yes SIBO can cause a lot of health issues. But SIBO will go away as soon as your stomach acid and bile flow works as it should... SIBO is not a cause. SIBO is just another symptom of another issue. Heh I remember when I crashed for the first time. I was reading about "candida test". You spit into a glass of water and if you see something like spider web floating around i the water= YOU HAVE CANDIDA.. 😀 I was in panic mode "Omg I have candida I need to call a doctor like right now.." Now 8 years latter I know little more... 🙂
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tim on July 11, 2020, 4:07 pm
@matrixik
When did your problems start? Was there any trauma or event that initiated it? Any work related toxic exposure? Any medications or surgery you had before you developed low metabolism, Im guessing just accutane? What dental work have you had, such as amalgam fillings or root canals?
Have you tested your iron levels?
What diet are you following at the moment? Are you getting micronutrients like selenium and iodine? Are you getting plenty of whole body sunlight? Any supplements you've been taking long term?
Nofap and avoiding hot showers will help a bit with boosting testosterone. It's an awkward subject and not a popular suggestion but with the symptoms you are experiencing an experienced practioner of tcm or taoism would rightly advise to minimise sexual activity.
Do you have any gut related symptoms, is your bowel function normal?
@matrixik
When did your problems start? Was there any trauma or event that initiated it? Any work related toxic exposure? Any medications or surgery you had before you developed low metabolism, Im guessing just accutane? What dental work have you had, such as amalgam fillings or root canals?
Have you tested your iron levels?
What diet are you following at the moment? Are you getting micronutrients like selenium and iodine? Are you getting plenty of whole body sunlight? Any supplements you've been taking long term?
Nofap and avoiding hot showers will help a bit with boosting testosterone. It's an awkward subject and not a popular suggestion but with the symptoms you are experiencing an experienced practioner of tcm or taoism would rightly advise to minimise sexual activity.
Do you have any gut related symptoms, is your bowel function normal?
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tim on July 11, 2020, 4:39 pm
@orion
That is excellent, I look forward to similar results.
My favourite Australian beer is James Boags, a lager.
@jiri
Hehe yeah with time and experience we start to see what really matters.
That could be true with SIBO but it contributes to preventing recovery of normal gut function in a variety of ways. Bad bugs work to make sure their ecology doesn't change in a way that doesn't favour them. Helicobacter pylori is an example, it makes the stomach less acidic. You don't cure a heavy infection by hoping your nutrional program will restore normal stomach acid, you take herbs that kill helicobacter. What is in your current program that you think will restore normal hcl? My SIBO was stubborn, for years I laboured under the delusion that I could fix it by restoring normal hcl, I never achieved that, perhaps on low vA it would eventually resolve but who wants SIBO longer than they have to? It even contributes to heart disease. It decreases absorption of nutrients that are necessary for normal hcl. I see SIBO as part symptom, part cause and the herbs worked a miracle.
@orion
That is excellent, I look forward to similar results.
My favourite Australian beer is James Boags, a lager.
@jiri
Hehe yeah with time and experience we start to see what really matters.
That could be true with SIBO but it contributes to preventing recovery of normal gut function in a variety of ways. Bad bugs work to make sure their ecology doesn't change in a way that doesn't favour them. Helicobacter pylori is an example, it makes the stomach less acidic. You don't cure a heavy infection by hoping your nutrional program will restore normal stomach acid, you take herbs that kill helicobacter. What is in your current program that you think will restore normal hcl? My SIBO was stubborn, for years I laboured under the delusion that I could fix it by restoring normal hcl, I never achieved that, perhaps on low vA it would eventually resolve but who wants SIBO longer than they have to? It even contributes to heart disease. It decreases absorption of nutrients that are necessary for normal hcl. I see SIBO as part symptom, part cause and the herbs worked a miracle.
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Jiří on July 11, 2020, 7:46 pm
@tim-2 "What is in your current program that you think will restore normal hcl? "
Maybe B1? Maybe detoxing vit A and speed up thyroid..? Killing bugs is nice. But they will come back really fast. If you don't fix the cause of that SIBO..
edit- Anyway I was cutting my hair today and I have some weird hair thinning. Especially at the back of the head which is weird. A LOT of not white, but discolored hair and also dandruff again.. Shit I have no idea what is going on. Also weird headache. Maybe it is too much retinoic acid in the blood from taking B complex? hehe.. Or that B1 that I started or that soluble fiber from pszllium, mushrooms..? I will try to stop that B complex(even when it is just low dose like 10mg each B) and that befotiamin I will take only one 300mg capsule a week. I can't function like this lol..
@tim-2 "What is in your current program that you think will restore normal hcl? "
Maybe B1? Maybe detoxing vit A and speed up thyroid..? Killing bugs is nice. But they will come back really fast. If you don't fix the cause of that SIBO..
edit- Anyway I was cutting my hair today and I have some weird hair thinning. Especially at the back of the head which is weird. A LOT of not white, but discolored hair and also dandruff again.. Shit I have no idea what is going on. Also weird headache. Maybe it is too much retinoic acid in the blood from taking B complex? hehe.. Or that B1 that I started or that soluble fiber from pszllium, mushrooms..? I will try to stop that B complex(even when it is just low dose like 10mg each B) and that befotiamin I will take only one 300mg capsule a week. I can't function like this lol..
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Jiří on July 12, 2020, 6:34 am
@orion
I have no idea if it is from that benfo, but I have really weird headache/pressure in my head and like tired eyes/muscles around the eyes. Also my muscles are like more stiff. I think that 300mg a day is kicking my ass. 😀 I will take only 1 capsule every 7 days. It is like 42mg a day which is still a lot for benfo.. It should work better.. I will try drop B complex if that B2 is not doing more harm then good like Tim says..
I have no idea if it is from that benfo, but I have really weird headache/pressure in my head and like tired eyes/muscles around the eyes. Also my muscles are like more stiff. I think that 300mg a day is kicking my ass. 😀 I will take only 1 capsule every 7 days. It is like 42mg a day which is still a lot for benfo.. It should work better.. I will try drop B complex if that B2 is not doing more harm then good like Tim says..
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tim on July 12, 2020, 7:05 am
@jiri
From what you've said in previous messages it sounds like you have SIBO so any soluble fibre could make it worse. I would try cutting out all vitamin supplements first though.
SIBO doesn't need to come back if it is dealt with properly. Once large colonies of certain species are established in the small intestine it is difficult or impossible to restore balance without killing them off first. B1 won't cure SIBO. Low vA might but how long would it take if it did work? You've probably got a lot of Accutane to detox which will take some time.
Dandruff is a real vA detox symptom so it could be the Bs stirring it up.
@jiri
From what you've said in previous messages it sounds like you have SIBO so any soluble fibre could make it worse. I would try cutting out all vitamin supplements first though.
SIBO doesn't need to come back if it is dealt with properly. Once large colonies of certain species are established in the small intestine it is difficult or impossible to restore balance without killing them off first. B1 won't cure SIBO. Low vA might but how long would it take if it did work? You've probably got a lot of Accutane to detox which will take some time.
Dandruff is a real vA detox symptom so it could be the Bs stirring it up.
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