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@christian I still don't get it. But like I said it is ok. I don't have to agree or understand with everyone in this crazy world..

@tropico yeah if someone is vit A toxic doing nothing but rice/beans/meat diet for years is probably a bad idea.. We need calcium for sure. It jsut has to be in balance with everything else. Also calcium carbonate is bad idea. It needs really good stomach acid. Citrate much better. Form of magnesium also matters. Big differences between froms like chloride, malate, glycinate, citrate etc.. A lot of people start to take a lot of magnesium and get worse because they are low in B1 and zinc for example.. Or calcium as well like in your case..

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@jiri

One way toxins in vaccines screw us up is by requiring the liver to use all sorts of nutrients / minerals up in packaging the toxins during detox.  Retinol Binding Protein uses up a ton of zinc and protein among others.  Guessing this explains why Grant eats about half as much meat as he did 10 years ago.  

Man you crack me up.  I agree and appreciate vast majority of your insights on metabolics.  I still feel your ability to steer and balance the systems with lab tests is far less trustworthy than you think it is.  I appreciate the tips on interactions and possibilities though.  

Meanwhile, I trained with an old Hawaiian for decades.  He was so stiff and brittle in the end from eating all those hot peppers all his life.  The reason you reminded me of Ralph is that his first language was English.  His parents were Japanese Hawaiian though so the way he used it was enigmatic.  He was an engineer and good martial artist.  What he knew was what was important and what he did not know did not exist.  He was smart enough to know that flexibility is invaluable and integral to strength and speed.  He often taught classes on how to stretch, breathe and relax.  Loved the guy on Sunday mornings teaching these long slow breathing stretching classes while he could barely touch his knees.  Even so he had good stretches.  He had good teachers all his life.

One Sunday morning he had another equally stiff student in class.  At some point, Ralph got determined.  Must have yelled 5 times "MICHAEL RELAX!!!!" before I just could not hold it.  Busted out laughing.  Pretty quick the whole room lost it.  Micheal was screaming back "Ralph I am RELAXING."  Got us all laughing harder.  Got to love Ralph.

I think I know what you mean about breathing and relaxing.  They are invaluable.  Ton of good guys out there teaching it on line and locally.  I doubt using the words "combat" and "force" are the words we want to throw in that mix though.  

Patrick McKeown at oxygenadvantage.com was one of Buteyko's students.

James Nestor wrote 

He is a good starter.

Rome Za has great ideas too.  Like McKeown, he trained with a lot of Buteyko's students.  Loved Rome's standing meditation video.  Crucial when things get way too fragile.  

Foundational Movement Therapy | Unwinding Your Fascia | 60 Minute Follow Along | Rome Za Method

Man I wish Vladimir Vasiliev was midwest US based and toured the area often.  Everything he does in Systema is awesome.  Same for Kevin Secours.  Do you ever get to see this guys?  Eastern Europe right?

@joseph-6

Agreed.  I think we are all self correcting.  Even so the balance can be thrown off to the point that deficiencies become self sustaining.  I think the zinc and other minerals I took these last 3 years helped return that balance.  The test now is how I get off them and how I do once I am off.  The best version of balanced self correction I know is watching Joel Salatin and Greg Judy move their cattle quickly from pasture to pasture.  The cows never get enough time to eat down the plants.  They get enough time to eat their favorites, poop some fertilizer in and turn over the soil with their wandering around.  Few hours later, they get moved to the next field.  Then that pasture is left to regrow a week or two.  Both the cows and the pastures self correct.  They send sometimes send chickens in behind the cows to pick out the bugs and mix things up even more.  Chicken poop changes the soil even more.  

Even so depleted soils sometimes need help recovering.  Sometimes it can be done throwing seeds from different plants that help bring up this mineral or that one.  Sometimes it requires bringing in minerals.  Like Exley wrote about most the land in England is silica depleted since they have gone so long without volcanic acitivity.  Iceland on the other hand has silica rich soil.  Silicic acid it turns out is imperative in detoxing aluminum.  Not sure how I would work that as an English rancher.  

Meanwhile, shorter term for me, I am all about prison diet and working supplements down to naught.  Looks like it is going to take me a bit longer than this month though.  

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Yeh, tylenol is a contributing factor in autism.  It is horrific in a number of ways in other diseases too.  The science on it is simple.  It has been for decades.  RFK2 is no where near the first one to grok this.  He is the first one to stand up and force change without being slapped down too hard by the pharma / medical industrial complex.  Keep in mind there were few pediatricians in the US before vaccines.  Now there are many.  They are all paid a bonus by their vaccine suppliers based on how many of their patients are vaccinated and how much they are vaccinated.  Their bonus is based on the percentage of their patients so they routinely fire parents who wait or refuse to vaccinate.  Their bonuses from pharmaceutical giants routinely make up more than half their annual income.  Having one patient or even a few who are not 100% vaccinated can wreck their bonus.

Add to that the liability law in the 1986 Act.  Pharmaceutical companies will not lose money on vaccines no matter how poisonous they are.  Neither will pediatricians.  The US Government taxes us to pay the few settlements to damaged families.  

Add to that the pediatricians routinely recommend tylenol when kids start feeling vaccine damage to help with the symptoms.  Absolutely worst idea possible.  

Yeh.  Please do look at the science.  Much simpler than you might think.  Tylenol for sure has contributed alot to autism.  This will be a good test to see how much farther down the list we go uncovering all the other causes.  

Might want to keep in mind that Johnson and Johnson spun off their tylenol division a few years ago.  They knew about this decades ago.  They watched carefully to see when it would blow up in their face and lose money for them.  

Proof Tylenol Maker KNEW About Pregnancy-Autism Connection!

So yeh.  No.  What is bad is still bad.  Tylenol was never good.  It was always  bad.  Same science behind it as vA.  

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To get back to the topic, I clearly overdid it. In reality, I was almost trying to reach my new stress tolerance limit, working for 12 hours or more. Calcium carbonate seemed to make me very strong, but clearly I reached my limit sooner or later. However, I want to emphasize one fact: the culprit for my acid-base imbalance wasn't so much the calcium, but the carbonates. In fact, magnesium carbonate or potassium carbonate also caused the same symptoms as calcium carbonate. Initially, I thought it was too much calcium, but no! Too much alkalizing carbonates. I've learned my lesson: carbonate minerals work in the initial phase of a diet with high liver-retinol release, but in the long term, it's best not to use them continuously. I suggest other, less basic forms of minerals, such as calcium-potassium-magnesium chloride or aminoacid chelated. 

Or nothing if you are well, use only in case of setback, because if the calcium deficiency is true, supplementing it works immediately, within a few days, having quick feedback on whether the path is right.

It's difficult to learn from other people's mistakes, unfortunately you have to make mistakes yourself to understand...

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Hi @Joe2 and @Jiri, with your good knowledge of HTMA matters,

Returning to that vexed Calcium question once again…

My son and I both showed very high Calcium and Magnesium levels on our HTMA results (whereas all the other minerals showed relatively normal levels). These high Ca and Mg numbers then skewed various important ratios, like Ca/P, Ca/K and Na/Mg. Since the Mg was much higher even than the Ca, our Ca/Mg ratios were way off too.

My first reaction was that we needed to bring down our Calcium and Magnesium levels (in line with ‘Replacement Theory’, ie lower your intake to reduce high levels, or increase your intake to raise low levels). I suspected that the high levels were due to the extremely high Calcium and Magnesium content of the water in Cyprus. Maybe we needed to get a reverse osmosis water filter to remove both Calcium and Magnesium...

But then I read an article by the Mineral Professor Unhinged, entitled ‘Demystifying Calcium Phobia: What's up with the calcium phobia in the holistic health industry?’ in which he wrote:

A high tissue calcium level does not come from eating a diet high in calcium or taking calcium supplements. It is from a calcium deficiency which keeps the activity of the parathyroid gland elevated.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-162543141

Which made me wonder, do we actually have a deficiency, rather than an overload? So I did blood tests for Calcium serum,  Ionized Calcium (which measures parathyroid influence) and for Magnesium serum. To my surprise all three results came back absolutely normal.

So I am back to square one, more confused than before. Are my son and I overloaded with Ca and Mg, or, deficient (in Ca at least)? Any advice would be appreciated.

And @Joe2, how can someone join the Calcium Connection group you mentioned in your original post? If they accept new members that is?

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@livy it would be best to post the photo of those tests. But if it is not from USA ARl or TEI laboratory I don't know how accurate the tests are. Most labs wash the hair sample in some solvent and that will most likely ruin the sample because it can alter potasium/sodium levels for example..

Also the visual presentation of the test from most labs is very hard to read and even good practitioner would have hard time figure out something from it.

That's why even I send hair only into ARl lab in US Arizona. Because I know other tests are probably waste of time and money..

But in general high calcium and magnesiu means that you are slow oxidizer. Which are most people. My calcium is high and I don't have high calcium intake. It doesn't work like that. Basically why is something low or high can have multiple reasons. It depends on the look of the whole test + the history of the person as well. To figure out if that person is under chronic stress constantly or has some really bad diet, toxicity of some kind etc.. 

and so the approach how to fix it is different for each individual depending on what is the cause of that imbalance. In most cases it is combination of many things. Not just toxicity of one thing for example(like most peple here see it with vit A as a reason for all health issues etc..)

It could be if you are for example working with some chemicals and you got poisoned or you have full mouth of amalgams or you are eating crazy unbalanced diet very high in something etc.. But in general it is like I said multi factorial.. 

What we know for sure this "replacement" approach where if something is low you should take it or if something is high you should avoid is incorrect..

It in some sense is correct for some elements like selenium, chromium, molybdenum. But the rest is influeced by many things. For example you ca have elevated calcium(calcium shell) from issues with copper or something like that or high calcium can mean that you are high in some toxic metal that ispushing that calcium out of the body etc..

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Quote from Livy on October 3, 2025, 3:33 am

Hi @Joe2 and @Jiri, with your good knowledge of HTMA matters,

Returning to that vexed Calcium question once again…

My son and I both showed very high Calcium and Magnesium levels on our HTMA results (whereas all the other minerals showed relatively normal levels). These high Ca and Mg numbers then skewed various important ratios, like Ca/P, Ca/K and Na/Mg. Since the Mg was much higher even than the Ca, our Ca/Mg ratios were way off too.

My first reaction was that we needed to bring down our Calcium and Magnesium levels (in line with ‘Replacement Theory’, ie lower your intake to reduce high levels, or increase your intake to raise low levels). I suspected that the high levels were due to the extremely high Calcium and Magnesium content of the water in Cyprus. Maybe we needed to get a reverse osmosis water filter to remove both Calcium and Magnesium...

But then I read an article by the Mineral Professor Unhinged, entitled ‘Demystifying Calcium Phobia: What's up with the calcium phobia in the holistic health industry?’ in which he wrote:

A high tissue calcium level does not come from eating a diet high in calcium or taking calcium supplements. It is from a calcium deficiency which keeps the activity of the parathyroid gland elevated.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-162543141

Which made me wonder, do we actually have a deficiency, rather than an overload? So I did blood tests for Calcium serum,  Ionized Calcium (which measures parathyroid influence) and for Magnesium serum. To my surprise all three results came back absolutely normal.

So I am back to square one, more confused than before. Are my son and I overloaded with Ca and Mg, or, deficient (in Ca at least)? Any advice would be appreciated.

And @Joe2, how can someone join the Calcium Connection group you mentioned in your original post? If they accept new members that is?

https://the-calcium-connection.mn.co/share/VQMsIfcaY9nOfB0Z?utm_source=manual

Thanks @Joe2. Have created an account. Cheers.

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Nice.  See you there.  Glad I finally figured that link out.

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