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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
Quote from Hermes on December 12, 2025, 3:57 pmWhat slow progress do you notice?
@christian I am doing this to fix skin issues, mainly reduce oilines, serb derm on scalp and acne, when I started 9 months ago skin exploded, but has since greatly calmed down, so I see it working, just wish it would go faster! Better sleep, digestion, mood and concentration, also strength gains at the gym. Teeth are also getting whiter, and I no longer form tartar calculus on my teeth
Feels like maybe another 9 months will get me to the base the mountain and I can start climbing.
Quote from whatisaging on December 12, 2025, 5:11 pm@christian What is your normal biotin, at your 10% dose? I can't tell if 100mg is high or low for you.
Well, I would do 30 mg injections per 10% dosage, ideally it would be rather 80 mg. And then, I have my feet in biotin water for several hours. Not sure how much biotin I get this way.
Quote from Orion on December 13, 2025, 10:33 am@christian I am doing this to fix skin issues, mainly reduce oilines, serb derm on scalp and acne, when I started 9 months ago skin exploded, but has since greatly calmed down, so I see it working, just wish it would go faster! Better sleep, digestion, mood and concentration, also strength gains at the gym. Teeth are also getting whiter, and I no longer form tartar calculus on my teeth
Feels like maybe another 9 months will get me to the base the mountain and I can start climbing.
Nice progress! That's encouraging. My skin has always been rather unaffected by anything I did. But the rest of the developments you report, I would want for myself, too.
@christian Maybe 100mg is high for you. For me it would be tiny, but our needs might differ.
One way of troubleshooting calibration is to delete one nutrient temporarily to see if it feels better. If it does, but also causes new symptoms, then one can add back small amounts repeatedly until the new stuff goes away, and the total is still small enough to keep the old symptoms gone.
This elimination process hits the wrong nutrient if nothing improves by deletion, in which case I can add the full amount back, and move onto deleting another nutrient, or perhaps 2 nutrients at once.
How I sort of handle this deletion process daily is to take a fixed amount of the vitamins first, then look for low C, low b6, or low biotin symptoms. At this point, I haven't taken EGCG, zinc, or moly, so it's like I deleted all 3, and am just balancing the vitamins first. Then after those are taken care of, I repeatedly add small amounts of the EGCG/zinc/moly as their respective symptoms come in. Frequently they get overdone, and more vitamin symptoms will pop up later, and I have to add some vitamins back too.
After an hour or so of this, I've recently found that the EGCG/zinc/moly symptoms slow a bit, and that's a signal that I'm somewhat close to balance, and I can just focus on vitamin and moly symptoms for the next hour or two, since those flush out more quickly than egcg/zinc. Then I've found that I can go to sleep at this point without issues, and next day feel OK.
Today, I did 200 mg of biotin, and again, I didn't get any nervous or other unpleasant side effects. Not sure why I actually react this well to biotin. In the summer when I was doing a standard HG7 dosage the effects were mixed.
Interesting approach to doing HG7. What are some common symptoms for you that signal one vitamin might be out of balance? Maybe you can go into more detail how you balance C, B6, and biotin. You mentioned tooth pain, which would signal to you low biotin.
Your improved biotin tolerance could be from doing low biotin for an extended time frame. Maybe in the summer you had too much in your system, but after reducing it for so long, the excess got drained off by the other nutrients, and now it feels OK. This is similar to how TRH says to eliminate one nutrient from a dose or two, if one believes that it's in excess. Except maybe you did a less extreme version with a slow drip drain.
Regarding vitamins, I found that I get some very consistent and frequent symptoms which match to the following vitamins:
Low Biotin: tooth pain. Fix using 1g biotin.
Low vitamin C: gum pain between the front teeth. Fix using 2g vitamin C capsules.
Low B6: sleepy fatigue. Fix using 100mg b6.
Some of these I discovered using the deletion trick. Or by addition, where a symptom is stubborn to everything but one ingredient.
These usually stop within seconds of taking a dose of the correct vitamin. Sometimes I find myself having to take two to six doses before they stop, especially with biotin, which tells me I'm deficient and my body is telling me to restock. The size of the calibration doesn't matter to some extent; my body will eventually just tell me to do more calibrations, if I use a smaller size.
Regarding balancing the vitamins, let's say that I choose to start with the following vitamins:
1g b5
2.5g biotin
100-200mg b6
2g vitamin C in capsules
On this type of "HG4", I would get low vitamin C symptoms or high B6 neuropathy, which can be fixed by adding C. So my initial dose uses 6g C now.
On this HG4, I will also get the low biotin tooth pain rather quickly, like within 1-10 minutes, and this doesn't happen with 3.5-4.5g biotin.
Once my vitamin symptoms are done, I move onto what's usually low molybdenum symptoms.
If no symptoms happen quickly, I can actually just leave it alone and skip EGCG/zinc/moly that time. HG4 is safe for me to take for a few days, and can feel nice as a kind of break or reset. But eventually the iron symptoms build up, and that tells me to return to HG7.
Hey y'all,
For those doing the HG7 protocol, can you tell me what brands you are using? and if there's any brand to stay away from.
I already have
Zinc gluconate by NOW.
MolyB by Kirkman
EGCG i'm looking at Pure Encapsulation or Life Extension for decaffeinated
Not sure about the rest, Pure Biotin powder is limited and I recall not Liking Bulk supplement brand
What are you using for the B's?
TIA