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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
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Ginny on March 5, 2026, 11:43 am
If molybdenum promotes copper to store in the liver, why does a certain DR. GS promote taking molybdenum in the synthetic form?
Does molybdenum from natural sources such as beans promote the storage of copper in the liver?
@whatisaging
If molybdenum promotes copper to store in the liver, why does a certain DR. GS promote taking molybdenum in the synthetic form?
Does molybdenum from natural sources such as beans promote the storage of copper in the liver?
@whatisaging
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Jiří on March 5, 2026, 12:00 pm
@ginny molybdenum is molybdenum. Different forms are just better or worse to absorb. Dr.Smith has in his multimineral supplement molybdenum glycinate so chelated form the most absorbable.. That multi that has zinc, molybdenum and selenium is great. Just Jacob with his HG7 works with the idea that you need to chelate/bind iron first before(if you have excess) before you can start lowering copper as well.. For most females iron is not a problem so taking just that formula with selenium, zinc and molybdenum is probably ok. Just the dose 30mg of zinc is a lot I think. I would personally make formula where you have like 10mg zinc, 100mcg selenium and 100mcg of molybdenum per capsule...
Btw we know copper is essential metal for many things in the body of all animals. So when he started to saying that copper is not essential micronutrient. I stopped taking him seriously at all and he will or already is damaging a lot of people who believe him and eat that supplement with copper antagonists like candy..
@ginny molybdenum is molybdenum. Different forms are just better or worse to absorb. Dr.Smith has in his multimineral supplement molybdenum glycinate so chelated form the most absorbable.. That multi that has zinc, molybdenum and selenium is great. Just Jacob with his HG7 works with the idea that you need to chelate/bind iron first before(if you have excess) before you can start lowering copper as well.. For most females iron is not a problem so taking just that formula with selenium, zinc and molybdenum is probably ok. Just the dose 30mg of zinc is a lot I think. I would personally make formula where you have like 10mg zinc, 100mcg selenium and 100mcg of molybdenum per capsule...
Btw we know copper is essential metal for many things in the body of all animals. So when he started to saying that copper is not essential micronutrient. I stopped taking him seriously at all and he will or already is damaging a lot of people who believe him and eat that supplement with copper antagonists like candy..
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@ginny I don't think this discussion applies well to foods, or to supplements at the doses he uses. The HG7 protocol we're talking about is 70 times higher in molybdenum than his 100mcg capsule, and very specialized biochemistry starts to appear. In regular doses, and for people whose organs are healthy, normal homeostasis keeps things in balance.
Also he's anti-sulfur, and the sulfur+molybdenum combination is important to that copper storage. Biotin is sulfur based.
@ginny I don't think this discussion applies well to foods, or to supplements at the doses he uses. The HG7 protocol we're talking about is 70 times higher in molybdenum than his 100mcg capsule, and very specialized biochemistry starts to appear. In regular doses, and for people whose organs are healthy, normal homeostasis keeps things in balance.
Also he's anti-sulfur, and the sulfur+molybdenum combination is important to that copper storage. Biotin is sulfur based.
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Joe2 on March 6, 2026, 12:24 am
@ginny I don't think this discussion applies well to foods, or to supplements at the doses he uses. The HG7 protocol we're talking about is 70 times higher in molybdenum than his 100mcg capsule, and very specialized biochemistry starts to appear. In regular doses, and for people whose organs are healthy, normal homeostasis keeps things in balance.
Also he's anti-sulfur, and the sulfur+molybdenum combination is important to that copper storage. Biotin is sulfur based.
The dosages he advocates are dang near impossible not to reach toxic levels. He claims that balancing out the various supplements prevents the toxicity levels. Sounds a bit like Smith's advocacy on zeolite. If it is a problem take higher doses.
@ginny I don't think this discussion applies well to foods, or to supplements at the doses he uses. The HG7 protocol we're talking about is 70 times higher in molybdenum than his 100mcg capsule, and very specialized biochemistry starts to appear. In regular doses, and for people whose organs are healthy, normal homeostasis keeps things in balance.
Also he's anti-sulfur, and the sulfur+molybdenum combination is important to that copper storage. Biotin is sulfur based.
The dosages he advocates are dang near impossible not to reach toxic levels. He claims that balancing out the various supplements prevents the toxicity levels. Sounds a bit like Smith's advocacy on zeolite. If it is a problem take higher doses.
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Jiří on March 7, 2026, 9:23 am
@whatisaging
jacob is hilarious
"Also, ive said this before, glycinate will cause issues, amino acid chelate wont."
Say to him that glycinate is the same thing as amino acid chelate lol..
@whatisaging
jacob is hilarious
"Also, ive said this before, glycinate will cause issues, amino acid chelate wont."
Say to him that glycinate is the same thing as amino acid chelate lol..
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@jiri
I don't think it's always glycine. The manufacturers are very vague, but I found a couple of times they were explicit:
Can be methionine: https://nustras.com/shop/molybdenum-amino-acid-chelate/
Range of amino acids: https://wilchem.com.au/west-coast/products/signature-molybdenum/
@jiri
I don't think it's always glycine. The manufacturers are very vague, but I found a couple of times they were explicit:
Can be methionine: https://nustras.com/shop/molybdenum-amino-acid-chelate/
Range of amino acids: https://wilchem.com.au/west-coast/products/signature-molybdenum/
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Jiří on March 7, 2026, 12:06 pm
@whatisaging the point is that Jacob doesn't know glycinate is also amino acid chelated.
@whatisaging the point is that Jacob doesn't know glycinate is also amino acid chelated.
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@jiri I think he's talking about brands not biochemistry. The supplement branded "molybdenum amino acid chelate" could cause less issues than the brand "molybdenum glycinate", because of different amino acids.
@jiri I think he's talking about brands not biochemistry. The supplement branded "molybdenum amino acid chelate" could cause less issues than the brand "molybdenum glycinate", because of different amino acids.
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Jiří on March 8, 2026, 3:41 am
@whatisaging makes no sense.
What he was talking about before is difference between anorganic and organic forms like amino acid chelated vs molybdenum salts..
Not different forms of amino acids in organic chelated versions. Not to mention most chelated supps are glycinate becaue glycine is the cheapest amino acid. So his Piping Rock molybdenum is probably glycinate as well LOL.
Not to mention someone asked him "How bad is molybdenum glycinate chelate? Is it a deal breaker like the difference between Pyridoxine HCl & P5P?"
and he said "Can be, yes"
he has no idea that glycinate is also "amino acid chelated"
He thinks it is some completely different form comparing it to HCL B6 vs active p5p LOL.
@whatisaging makes no sense.
What he was talking about before is difference between anorganic and organic forms like amino acid chelated vs molybdenum salts..
Not different forms of amino acids in organic chelated versions. Not to mention most chelated supps are glycinate becaue glycine is the cheapest amino acid. So his Piping Rock molybdenum is probably glycinate as well LOL.
Not to mention someone asked him "How bad is molybdenum glycinate chelate? Is it a deal breaker like the difference between Pyridoxine HCl & P5P?"
and he said "Can be, yes"
he has no idea that glycinate is also "amino acid chelated"
He thinks it is some completely different form comparing it to HCL B6 vs active p5p LOL.
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@jiri Regarding inorganic salts, I don't think that was it. I don't remember anyone on the thread ever bringing those up. The main two brands are glycinate and amino acid chelate.
If it's glycine, why don't they simply call it glycinate? Or disclose what the aminos are? Makes more sense that it's a patented mix of aminos.
Maybe he's not educated in biochemistry, but I believe him when he says that one brand causes problems that another doesn't.
@jiri Regarding inorganic salts, I don't think that was it. I don't remember anyone on the thread ever bringing those up. The main two brands are glycinate and amino acid chelate.
If it's glycine, why don't they simply call it glycinate? Or disclose what the aminos are? Makes more sense that it's a patented mix of aminos.
Maybe he's not educated in biochemistry, but I believe him when he says that one brand causes problems that another doesn't.
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