@jiri Yes he's saying the flush version helps the ALDH system but the non flush version slows it down. Anyway I started the flush version earlier today to see if it helps, I'm starting very low though as have had bad flush reactions in the past.
@jiri Yes he's saying the flush version helps the ALDH system but the non flush version slows it down. Anyway I started the flush version earlier today to see if it helps, I'm starting very low though as have had bad flush reactions in the past.
@alexm I tried 100mg tablets from swanson and it lowered my blood pressure a lot. Not good. I also had some lower leg swelling from it.. But I was taking like 500mg I think. On my day of work I will try half of the 100mg tablet what it does. Or how much Smith or you take?
@alexm I tried 100mg tablets from swanson and it lowered my blood pressure a lot. Not good. I also had some lower leg swelling from it.. But I was taking like 500mg I think. On my day of work I will try half of the 100mg tablet what it does. Or how much Smith or you take?
@alexm I tried 100mg tablets from swanson and it lowered my blood pressure a lot. Not good. I also had some lower leg swelling from it.. But I was taking like 500mg I think. On my day of work I will try half of the 100mg tablet what it does. Or how much Smith or you take?
@jiri I bought 500mg capsules and im taking a tiny sprinkle (probably 25-50mg) from it and working my way up, I got a little flush after I ate food which didn't feel bad or anything but had strong anxiolytic effects when I went outside afterwards so I will continue. I wouldn't take it when you're working I would do it away from that.
People in here always talk about the intake of b vitamins from food, well the amount in foods is tiny compared to any b vitamin supplements so its pointless comparing them, they will also be in different forms to this supplement version.
@alexm I tried 100mg tablets from swanson and it lowered my blood pressure a lot. Not good. I also had some lower leg swelling from it.. But I was taking like 500mg I think. On my day of work I will try half of the 100mg tablet what it does. Or how much Smith or you take?
@jiri I bought 500mg capsules and im taking a tiny sprinkle (probably 25-50mg) from it and working my way up, I got a little flush after I ate food which didn't feel bad or anything but had strong anxiolytic effects when I went outside afterwards so I will continue. I wouldn't take it when you're working I would do it away from that.
People in here always talk about the intake of b vitamins from food, well the amount in foods is tiny compared to any b vitamin supplements so its pointless comparing them, they will also be in different forms to this supplement version.
@alexm "People in here always talk about the intake of b vitamins from food, well the amount in foods is tiny compared to any b vitamin supplements so its pointless comparing them, they will also be in different forms to this supplement version."
Yes taking big doses of all kinds of forms of B vitamins are completely different than from food. But who knows if it does anything good? Even if you feel good on it. It can be some drug like effect where over time it creates some imbalance.. Even Dr.Smith was talking about it and now he turns 180 and has a flush on every stream it is hilarious.. To be honest I am completely lost at this point and I am tired of randomly taking supplements and hope for the best heh.. Even people who are testing all the time have no idea what that mix of pills will do in their body. I think Grant is doing so good because he avoided all of that and maybe having zero stress from thinking about what pill to take etc.. is more powerful than any possible benefit from that pill.. Now I think it is impossible for the body to reach homeostasis when you take pills that have unnatural amounts of micronutrients that can be also in wrong form..
@alexm "People in here always talk about the intake of b vitamins from food, well the amount in foods is tiny compared to any b vitamin supplements so its pointless comparing them, they will also be in different forms to this supplement version."
Yes taking big doses of all kinds of forms of B vitamins are completely different than from food. But who knows if it does anything good? Even if you feel good on it. It can be some drug like effect where over time it creates some imbalance.. Even Dr.Smith was talking about it and now he turns 180 and has a flush on every stream it is hilarious.. To be honest I am completely lost at this point and I am tired of randomly taking supplements and hope for the best heh.. Even people who are testing all the time have no idea what that mix of pills will do in their body. I think Grant is doing so good because he avoided all of that and maybe having zero stress from thinking about what pill to take etc.. is more powerful than any possible benefit from that pill.. Now I think it is impossible for the body to reach homeostasis when you take pills that have unnatural amounts of micronutrients that can be also in wrong form..
I have two theory regarding G.Smith sudden gain of interest in high dose Niacin supplementation
The first one is to balance the zinc intake of his protocol/diet, because too much zinc from your diet or via supplementation can act like a neurotoxin and deplete amongs other things your NAD+ level.
The second hypothesis is that he will certainly in the near future want to sell his own 100% Nicotinic acid supplement.
High doses of niacin can induce serotonin syndrome and insulin resistance.I find that is a bit irresponsible for G.Smith to recommend a "vitamin" that causes so many problems without a warning.
I have two theory regarding G.Smith sudden gain of interest in high dose Niacin supplementation
The first one is to balance the zinc intake of his protocol/diet, because too much zinc from your diet or via supplementation can act like a neurotoxin and deplete amongs other things your NAD+ level.
The second hypothesis is that he will certainly in the near future want to sell his own 100% Nicotinic acid supplement.
High doses of niacin can induce serotonin syndrome and insulin resistance.I find that is a bit irresponsible for G.Smith to recommend a "vitamin" that causes so many problems without a warning.
... I think Grant is doing so good because he avoided all of that and maybe having zero stress from thinking about what pill to take etc.. is more powerful than any possible benefit from that pill.. Now I think it is impossible for the body to reach homeostasis when you take pills that have unnatural amounts of micronutrients that can be also in wrong form..
It will be a cold day in hell when I take another supplement. Thanks for making me think about this. Just watched a video on bit chute that talked about what a scam vitamins etc are. I'd post it here, but it was a bit on the woo side. The person on the video said he thinks of vitamins now as Pharma-lite. Probably one of the major reasons we are all here, on this site and toxic, is the so-called "vitamin supplementation" of our food animals (such as in their feeds) and our foods directly (such as A and D in milk) and ourselves directly (such as in vitamin pills).
Edited to add, this con isn't a new thing, and they used to call it "snake oil". Now, as always, pure food/water/air is your best medicine. If you want more niacin, eat niacin-rich foods.
... I think Grant is doing so good because he avoided all of that and maybe having zero stress from thinking about what pill to take etc.. is more powerful than any possible benefit from that pill.. Now I think it is impossible for the body to reach homeostasis when you take pills that have unnatural amounts of micronutrients that can be also in wrong form..
It will be a cold day in hell when I take another supplement. Thanks for making me think about this. Just watched a video on bit chute that talked about what a scam vitamins etc are. I'd post it here, but it was a bit on the woo side. The person on the video said he thinks of vitamins now as Pharma-lite. Probably one of the major reasons we are all here, on this site and toxic, is the so-called "vitamin supplementation" of our food animals (such as in their feeds) and our foods directly (such as A and D in milk) and ourselves directly (such as in vitamin pills).
Edited to add, this con isn't a new thing, and they used to call it "snake oil". Now, as always, pure food/water/air is your best medicine. If you want more niacin, eat niacin-rich foods.
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@lil-chick I think that vitamins/minerals in supplement form are not a scam. Liek we know magnesium oil will give you magnesium and it is not a scam or vit C will give you vit C and it is not a scam etc.. Plenty of studies etc. on that.. To me the problem is that the body is incredibly complex and each body is different. So we simply don't know what exactly your body needs and if you take something what it does especially long term. If we have some machine like in next 1000 years that tells you exactly what is going on in your body what micronutrients and how much you need. What toxicity you have in the body etc.. That will be game changer and you can balance your body pretty fast. But for now I think you will do more harm than good by taking stuff.. I take supplements like 20 years and to be honest I have no idea what should I take and how much.. and if I say that I do know I will be lying to myself.. Nobody knows that. How much of what to take on a daily basis. People simply take this and that in this or that dose because they are used to take it like that. But have no idea what it does in their body..
@lil-chick I think that vitamins/minerals in supplement form are not a scam. Liek we know magnesium oil will give you magnesium and it is not a scam or vit C will give you vit C and it is not a scam etc.. Plenty of studies etc. on that.. To me the problem is that the body is incredibly complex and each body is different. So we simply don't know what exactly your body needs and if you take something what it does especially long term. If we have some machine like in next 1000 years that tells you exactly what is going on in your body what micronutrients and how much you need. What toxicity you have in the body etc.. That will be game changer and you can balance your body pretty fast. But for now I think you will do more harm than good by taking stuff.. I take supplements like 20 years and to be honest I have no idea what should I take and how much.. and if I say that I do know I will be lying to myself.. Nobody knows that. How much of what to take on a daily basis. People simply take this and that in this or that dose because they are used to take it like that. But have no idea what it does in their body..
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I have two theory regarding G.Smith sudden gain of interest in high dose Niacin supplementation
The first one is to balance the zinc intake of his protocol/diet, because too much zinc from your diet or via supplementation can act like a neurotoxin and deplete amongs other things your NAD+ level.
The second hypothesis is that he will certainly in the near future want to sell his own 100% Nicotinic acid supplement.
High doses of niacin can induce serotonin syndrome and insulin resistance.I find that is a bit irresponsible for G.Smith to recommend a "vitamin" that causes so many problems without a warning.
Are you sure it's nicotinic acid used in those studies? Or niacinamide? They are two different things. And sometimes it isn't even specified which one they used.
I have two theory regarding G.Smith sudden gain of interest in high dose Niacin supplementation
The first one is to balance the zinc intake of his protocol/diet, because too much zinc from your diet or via supplementation can act like a neurotoxin and deplete amongs other things your NAD+ level.
The second hypothesis is that he will certainly in the near future want to sell his own 100% Nicotinic acid supplement.
High doses of niacin can induce serotonin syndrome and insulin resistance.I find that is a bit irresponsible for G.Smith to recommend a "vitamin" that causes so many problems without a warning.
Are you sure it's nicotinic acid used in those studies? Or niacinamide? They are two different things. And sometimes it isn't even specified which one they used.
@lil-chick I think that vitamins/minerals in supplement form are not a scam. Liek we know magnesium oil will give you magnesium and it is not a scam or vit C will give you vit C and it is not a scam etc.. Plenty of studies etc. on that..
You have some good points in your post, but for me it is like this... I don't really think about grocery store muffins as "food" the way I think of my own, carefully home-baked muffins as food. I don't think of isolated soy protein as equivalent to a steak. One of the things that the video I watched said was that these nutrients are made by the same people who make our drugs--and that really there are only about 6 companies who make the isolated vitamins, and all the small companies call them up and say send me a vat of this or send me a vat of that. I probably wouldn't like the industrial way they are made. Maybe some do work just like real nutrients and maybe some don't (synthetic). Maybe some are pure, but maybe some have other trace chemicals along for the ride.
Taking vitamins doesn't fit with my lifestyle, which is "naturalistic" and I'm glad I finally realize this. I had already gotten to the point where I thought of them more like medicine. Herbs too. They are both dual edged-swords. In order to be strong enough to heal, they are probably strong enough to harm. With medicine, I do occasionally take some, and so I won't say "never". Cold days do come to hell, sometimes! I also know it isn't good to be a hero just to keep a personal "rule".
@lil-chick I think that vitamins/minerals in supplement form are not a scam. Liek we know magnesium oil will give you magnesium and it is not a scam or vit C will give you vit C and it is not a scam etc.. Plenty of studies etc. on that..
You have some good points in your post, but for me it is like this... I don't really think about grocery store muffins as "food" the way I think of my own, carefully home-baked muffins as food. I don't think of isolated soy protein as equivalent to a steak. One of the things that the video I watched said was that these nutrients are made by the same people who make our drugs--and that really there are only about 6 companies who make the isolated vitamins, and all the small companies call them up and say send me a vat of this or send me a vat of that. I probably wouldn't like the industrial way they are made. Maybe some do work just like real nutrients and maybe some don't (synthetic). Maybe some are pure, but maybe some have other trace chemicals along for the ride.
Taking vitamins doesn't fit with my lifestyle, which is "naturalistic" and I'm glad I finally realize this. I had already gotten to the point where I thought of them more like medicine. Herbs too. They are both dual edged-swords. In order to be strong enough to heal, they are probably strong enough to harm. With medicine, I do occasionally take some, and so I won't say "never". Cold days do come to hell, sometimes! I also know it isn't good to be a hero just to keep a personal "rule".
