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collden on June 27, 2019, 8:35 am
"People who drink" is a bit of a misnomer, the article is about alcoholics.
There is a U-shaped relationship with alcohol use and liver health. On the one hand chronic alcohol abuse clearly damages the liver which would result in reduced ability of the liver to process ingested vitamin A and so increase the risk of peripheral vitamin A toxicity such as eczema.
On the other hand moderate frequent alcohol consumption is consistently associated with better liver health and lower risk of fatty liver disease. Maybe this has to do with moderate alcohol helping to prevent excessive accumulation of Vitamin A in the liver - which is also destructive for the liver.
"People who drink" is a bit of a misnomer, the article is about alcoholics.
There is a U-shaped relationship with alcohol use and liver health. On the one hand chronic alcohol abuse clearly damages the liver which would result in reduced ability of the liver to process ingested vitamin A and so increase the risk of peripheral vitamin A toxicity such as eczema.
On the other hand moderate frequent alcohol consumption is consistently associated with better liver health and lower risk of fatty liver disease. Maybe this has to do with moderate alcohol helping to prevent excessive accumulation of Vitamin A in the liver - which is also destructive for the liver.
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lil chick on June 27, 2019, 9:15 am
Yes Collden, I see that everywhere too, except that is exactly how I have drank my whole life (one beer or wine drink per night) and I'm a mess! haha.
Maybe I was alright with it, until the Vitamin A "trap door" happened...?
Perhaps alcohol Blasting out Vitamin A from the liver to the tissues is ok if the tissues are healthy and can handle it.
Blasting out Vitamin A to sick tissues (remember that quote Grant used) feeds the illness?
Yes Collden, I see that everywhere too, except that is exactly how I have drank my whole life (one beer or wine drink per night) and I'm a mess! haha.
Maybe I was alright with it, until the Vitamin A "trap door" happened...?
Perhaps alcohol Blasting out Vitamin A from the liver to the tissues is ok if the tissues are healthy and can handle it.
Blasting out Vitamin A to sick tissues (remember that quote Grant used) feeds the illness?
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lil chick on June 27, 2019, 9:19 am
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collden on June 27, 2019, 8:35 am
...Maybe this has to do with moderate alcohol helping to prevent excessive accumulation of Vitamin A in the liver - which is also destructive for the liver.
Is this an established notion? Is vitamin A accumulation in the liver destructive?
I thought that was where it was supposed to be.
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collden on June 27, 2019, 8:35 am
...Maybe this has to do with moderate alcohol helping to prevent excessive accumulation of Vitamin A in the liver - which is also destructive for the liver.
Is this an established notion? Is vitamin A accumulation in the liver destructive?
I thought that was where it was supposed to be.
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collden on June 27, 2019, 9:49 am
Yeah, liver damage is one of the most common symptoms of chronic vitamin A excess. There are numerous case studies of people developing cirrhosis after taking high amounts of vitamin A and these cases typically have massively elevated liver levels of vitamin A.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A
Yeah, liver damage is one of the most common symptoms of chronic vitamin A excess. There are numerous case studies of people developing cirrhosis after taking high amounts of vitamin A and these cases typically have massively elevated liver levels of vitamin A.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A
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lil chick on June 27, 2019, 10:18 am
I guess I was thinking that the harm to the liver came when the body cakes it with fat to store more A in. But I didn't think A in the liver itself was bad. These are just my thoughts and not based on any study, but I kind of thought that was the basic design of how we are supposed to handle A: send it to the liver.
My grandfather got a lot of sun and loved red wine and loved to dance and give blood and he lived a very long time. I think he ate a pretty bland diet--hated salads for instance. I can see how red wine might have been part of his healthy life.
Personally I suppose that my liver isn't one of my problems, but everything else is hahaha. I'm narrow around the liver area. But I look like hell besides that. 🙂
I guess I was thinking that the harm to the liver came when the body cakes it with fat to store more A in. But I didn't think A in the liver itself was bad. These are just my thoughts and not based on any study, but I kind of thought that was the basic design of how we are supposed to handle A: send it to the liver.
My grandfather got a lot of sun and loved red wine and loved to dance and give blood and he lived a very long time. I think he ate a pretty bland diet--hated salads for instance. I can see how red wine might have been part of his healthy life.
Personally I suppose that my liver isn't one of my problems, but everything else is hahaha. I'm narrow around the liver area. But I look like hell besides that. 🙂
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lil chick on June 27, 2019, 10:36 am
I think my one drink per night habit was actually much less drinking than most people I know. I've never kept up with the other people around me when it came to drinking. At a get-together, most people around me would have 3 drinks (easy!) over the course of the day or evening, while I would only ever have my one.
(This is because I would be sure to barf/feel poisoned after after any more than one)
Most of these other people DO have fatty liver areas. (and clear faces)
I think my one drink per night habit was actually much less drinking than most people I know. I've never kept up with the other people around me when it came to drinking. At a get-together, most people around me would have 3 drinks (easy!) over the course of the day or evening, while I would only ever have my one.
(This is because I would be sure to barf/feel poisoned after after any more than one)
Most of these other people DO have fatty liver areas. (and clear faces)
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tim on June 27, 2019, 6:10 pm
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collden on June 27, 2019, 9:49 am
Yeah, liver damage is one of the most common symptoms of chronic vitamin A excess. There are numerous case studies of people developing cirrhosis after taking high amounts of vitamin A and these cases typically have massively elevated liver levels of vitamin A.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A
Yeah and I think a lot of disease partly or wholly originates with sluggish liver function. With improved liver function comes a sense of well being that many here following the low A diet will likely experience, possibly for the first time since they were children.
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collden on June 27, 2019, 9:49 am
Yeah, liver damage is one of the most common symptoms of chronic vitamin A excess. There are numerous case studies of people developing cirrhosis after taking high amounts of vitamin A and these cases typically have massively elevated liver levels of vitamin A.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A
Yeah and I think a lot of disease partly or wholly originates with sluggish liver function. With improved liver function comes a sense of well being that many here following the low A diet will likely experience, possibly for the first time since they were children.
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eliza1275 on July 1, 2019, 6:55 am
5 month update: the most surprising improvement I have noticed at this point is that not only are my cycles normal again (they haven't been for years), I now have a 12 day luteal phase, and it had only been 6 days for years. (For anyone who is unfamiliar, the luteal phase is the second part of the menstrual cycle. It supposedly goes relatively unchanged month to month, but slowly shortens with age. The first part of the cycle, the ovulatory phase, is variable). I definitely think my cycle problems were related to vitamin A toxicity. It makes me wonder how many fertility issues are also related.
5 month update: the most surprising improvement I have noticed at this point is that not only are my cycles normal again (they haven't been for years), I now have a 12 day luteal phase, and it had only been 6 days for years. (For anyone who is unfamiliar, the luteal phase is the second part of the menstrual cycle. It supposedly goes relatively unchanged month to month, but slowly shortens with age. The first part of the cycle, the ovulatory phase, is variable). I definitely think my cycle problems were related to vitamin A toxicity. It makes me wonder how many fertility issues are also related.
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lil chick on July 1, 2019, 7:02 am
YAY!!!!! So fascinating.
YAY!!!!! So fascinating.
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lil chick on June 16, 2019, 9:18 am
I was thinking about what might be in common between my rosacea and my raynauds and remembered something I read a while back -- a theory that rosacea might be about capillaries. I can see how it is SOMEWHAT like a facial case of eczema, but there might be more than that going on. Makes sense when you add in the tiny broken capillaries that get involved in the rosacea face around the nose. This could be a thing where vit A has been stored in the tiny cappilaries, I suppose, and causing trouble.
I have suspected lately, and don't know if this is a separate gene issue and NOT down to vitamin A, that I'm alcohol intolerant. I have the alcohol flush reaction. So, I've been off of alcohol for a few months.
I always liked a daily glass of wine or beer and always just thought the flush was an annoyance. But it turns out that alcohol might be more of a problem for people who show the flushing. Could the cappilaries be unhappy because of the lack of the enzymes needed to break down alcohol in a timely fashion?
IMO my "background" skin has gotten whiter and my rosacea stands up redder against it lately.
I've always also been the type to blush and flush ANYWAYS. Very light skinned.
I actually pretty much got rid of my Raynauds after having it for 3 years. I went on Keto high fat + High Protein, low carb. I don't know what specifically helped but its 95% gone. I live in a cold country so its well tested!
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lil chick on June 16, 2019, 9:18 am
I was thinking about what might be in common between my rosacea and my raynauds and remembered something I read a while back -- a theory that rosacea might be about capillaries. I can see how it is SOMEWHAT like a facial case of eczema, but there might be more than that going on. Makes sense when you add in the tiny broken capillaries that get involved in the rosacea face around the nose. This could be a thing where vit A has been stored in the tiny cappilaries, I suppose, and causing trouble.
I have suspected lately, and don't know if this is a separate gene issue and NOT down to vitamin A, that I'm alcohol intolerant. I have the alcohol flush reaction. So, I've been off of alcohol for a few months.
I always liked a daily glass of wine or beer and always just thought the flush was an annoyance. But it turns out that alcohol might be more of a problem for people who show the flushing. Could the cappilaries be unhappy because of the lack of the enzymes needed to break down alcohol in a timely fashion?
IMO my "background" skin has gotten whiter and my rosacea stands up redder against it lately.
I've always also been the type to blush and flush ANYWAYS. Very light skinned.
I actually pretty much got rid of my Raynauds after having it for 3 years. I went on Keto high fat + High Protein, low carb. I don't know what specifically helped but its 95% gone. I live in a cold country so its well tested!
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