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puddleduck’s progress (CFS symptoms)
@armin yes, I've not mentioned very often but I did get much more early afternoon tiredness or sleepiness when I increased the eggs. It definitely wasnt a straight line to better digestive health either. Partly why I waited 6 months before reporting and interpreting my results.
@puddleduck Hi. Just wrote a long answer that the internet ate so this will be a sort of low resolution rewrite.
Thanks for the update puddle! I hope this has some use for you.
Personally which might not be relevant I have a very different respons to oxalates then to vitamin A s (gorupng them with caroteens here). I have started eating lots more potatoes lately after quitting butter and now regularly eat 2 pounds a day and feel good on it. now I dont feel much negatives at all - I used to be sensitive to oxalates to a degree.
On the ohter hand I got curious some weeks ago and tried an egg. Got halfway and got a feeling of having eaten clay, brainfog, and the horrible high blood pressure/being strangled feeling I used to have 5 years ago ca. No more for me. And I do think my reaction was to the A in eggs not something else (gets lots of choline anyway from my beef). Took at least 2 full days to recover. Now that obviously means Im still not healed which I already new. BUT:
That means that the amount of A in eggs -which I convinced myself wasnt that high - obviously has a bad potential.
(I think most people here are not so healed that they can take that amount of A, and regardless of wether thats true), I think 8 eggs a day should amount to a level of A guaranteed to slow down/stop detox. So its hard to imagine that what you are experiencing now is anything but retoxification and the slight improvements is due to the detox shutting down 🙁 Id like to be wrong but it would require really well functioning detox systems to get that out in a decent way.
so I think if it walks like a duck....
(ps. for me forcing myself to eat shit that didnt make me feel good was likely a very stong contributing factor to my poisoning in the first place )
@henrik I’m sorry your first response got disappeared! 😤 I appreciate your perspective and hearing your experiences, too. 🙂
Yeah, you’re right. Feeling shit due to forcing down a food that has negative effects isn’t usually a good path, lol. 😅 (Then again, recovery from anorexia felt horrible, and the food was needed.)
I’m definitely not ruling the vitamin A “in-tox” idea out. That could well be the main issue—even at a low quantity of eggs—considering hens are fed questionable fortified feed with glyphosate contamination.
At the same time, I have been consuming under 3% of the RDA for vitamin A for the majority of the past nearly 5 years now. My retinol blood level is “deficient.” Any average doctor or nutritionist presented with these facts would tell me I was suffering from a psychological problem, and to resume consumption of carrots and dairy at once. 🙃
Nevertheless, I need a break from the eggs, for sure. 😫 No more for now.
Thanks again for your comments, Henrik. 🌼☀️
At the same time, I have been consuming under 3% of the RDA for vitamin A for the majority of the past nearly 5 years now. My retinol blood level is “deficient.” Any average doctor or nutritionist presented with these facts would tell me I was suffering from a psychological problem, and to resume consumption of carrots and dairy at once. 🙃
So true. Even worse, doctors say things like, "Diet and mental health (or health in general) have nothing to do with each other. This has happened to me.
I am sorry that happened to you @christian! 💛 Doctors can be such arrogant, invalidating know-it-nothings, sometimes. Hmpf! That is as bad as insisting, in the face of crop failure: “But Brawndo has got what plant’s crave! It’s got electrolytes!” (“Idiocracy” reference.)
The most likely thing to react to in eggs is the albumin in the egg whites. Some people dont react well to the sulfur as well. And there may be people reacting to tiny amounts of retinol or lutein.
We know from the 1982 62 year old man study with liver biopsies that it's possible to detox on 4,000 IUs of Vitamin A per day. A key to his results was getting enough protein. On 8 eggs a day you're getting over 50 grams of protein so eggs give you a good start to getting enough protein. People eating 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 eggs a day have all reported the detox got stronger with more eggs. Some experience diarrhea and some constipation once they eat too many (5 or more usually) but there's no particular reason to suspect the detox is slowing because you're getting more and more choline and phosphatidylcholine for the bile. 8 eggs might push you into TMAO issues if you had them all at once but I think 1 gram of choline isnt going to cause an unabsorbed choline problem. Perhaps 12 or more eggs might but it's speculation on my part. Healthy people dont normally shut down detox eating a healthy food high in nutrients like eggs with selenium, iodine, B vitamins in addition to the choline and lecithin. Even people being assisted by Dr S for 4 years on 30,000 IUs of vitamin A a day didnt shut down their detox. If they do then it's specific issues they have with the eggs like albumin, lutein sensitivity, sulfur problems, too many eggs for digestion ? or Vitamin A sensitivity. Choline helps you detox the liver. It's quite clear in the current nutritional science. There's over 20 experimenters generally improving so far. I think it's better to do this gradually in the same way Peskin is saying it will take time then eggs being a very similar part of the cell membrane equation may likely take as long. 4 eggs is the most I'm suggesting for people to replenish choline. The exception being when they dont eat meat and 8 eggs might be justified in that event. A maximum of 1 gram of choline. A rare person might need more.
Quote from puddleduck on May 11, 2023, 7:21 am
This is hilarious, @puddleduck! I haven't seen the movie, now I'm definitely curious. On a more serious note, intelligence has actually been declining for centuries. People's reaction time was much better a hundred years ago than it is now, which is a good proxy for g.
Ha! I am always fond of saying that the world would be a much better place if we all talked honestly about our health, including poop. We wouldn't be so likely to let things fester....and as one person I know says, "I would have thought that pooping once or twice a week was normal! Which I did think, for decades...." 🙂 See, you're making the world a better place right now, @puddleduck!
Also, did we already talk about how you and I were both unschooled?? I have found righteous few unschoolers on any health forum, period. And ever since I was banned from one popular unschooling message board years ago for daring to post about my child's life-changing (and mental-health-improving) experience with diet, I sorta gave up on finding anyone. "You are not being inclusive to those on the autism spectrum," I was told in not so many words after posting, "and your posts are no longer welcome on this forum for unschoolers." ...If that's not the definition of irony, I don't know what is! 🙂