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Questions on Probiotic and Supplement Studies
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Inger on February 21, 2023, 2:01 pm
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Orion on February 21, 2023, 1:17 pm
@inger
Currently thinking it is the lack of meeting the RDA for choline on a long term low VA diet. Tested with psyllium recently and was getting lots of bloating from it as well.
@orion, oh my.. same issue that Jenny seem to have. How much meat was you eating along your vitamin A detox?
I might have been lucky that I have had lots of beef all the way along my so far 1 year vitamin A detox... and also not totally avoided eggs. The choline deficiency seems to be a real bad thing. Especially when we age. I am post menopause, 46 yo so my choline requirement is probably higher too. No wonder I always have such huge appetite for meat! And i give in. I dont feel truly satiated without it.
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Orion on February 21, 2023, 1:17 pm
@inger
Currently thinking it is the lack of meeting the RDA for choline on a long term low VA diet. Tested with psyllium recently and was getting lots of bloating from it as well.
@orion, oh my.. same issue that Jenny seem to have. How much meat was you eating along your vitamin A detox?
I might have been lucky that I have had lots of beef all the way along my so far 1 year vitamin A detox... and also not totally avoided eggs. The choline deficiency seems to be a real bad thing. Especially when we age. I am post menopause, 46 yo so my choline requirement is probably higher too. No wonder I always have such huge appetite for meat! And i give in. I dont feel truly satiated without it.
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Inger on February 21, 2023, 2:04 pm
I do still get a little bloat from the beans at times, but I dont care, it is not that bad at all. Sometimes I get no bloat at all. I read it can take up to 3 months until it calms down completely. The calm I feel and the amazing sleep and dreams is worth it, even getting a little bit of bloat 🙂
I do still get a little bloat from the beans at times, but I dont care, it is not that bad at all. Sometimes I get no bloat at all. I read it can take up to 3 months until it calms down completely. The calm I feel and the amazing sleep and dreams is worth it, even getting a little bit of bloat 🙂
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Orion on February 21, 2023, 2:08 pm
@inger I have only been eating around ~300grams per day on average of beef/chicken, so potentially not enough without eggs.
Been using eggs for a few weeks now, up to 3 a day, but seems it can take months for the choline to heal and benefit any issues, if it is the reason. So will test it out. I probably should have been using more meat and less starch.
@inger I have only been eating around ~300grams per day on average of beef/chicken, so potentially not enough without eggs.
Been using eggs for a few weeks now, up to 3 a day, but seems it can take months for the choline to heal and benefit any issues, if it is the reason. So will test it out. I probably should have been using more meat and less starch.
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Inger on February 21, 2023, 2:13 pm
@orion 300 grams is not much... are you a male? I am a woman about 60 kg and I need double amount of what you have been eating.. Are you doing more meat now?
Karen Hurdls bean protocol might be so successful because she says to have a palmful of meat 3 times a day. That would be enough for choline too. To me a palm full is something like 200 grams 😉
@orion 300 grams is not much... are you a male? I am a woman about 60 kg and I need double amount of what you have been eating.. Are you doing more meat now?
Karen Hurdls bean protocol might be so successful because she says to have a palmful of meat 3 times a day. That would be enough for choline too. To me a palm full is something like 200 grams 😉
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Orion on February 21, 2023, 2:18 pm
@inger Definitely think I need more, I was eating to my hunger appetite, but it seems to not be enough. Wasn't really aware of choline until this forum brought its importance up. I am male, 190cm at 92kg
@inger Definitely think I need more, I was eating to my hunger appetite, but it seems to not be enough. Wasn't really aware of choline until this forum brought its importance up. I am male, 190cm at 92kg
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Inger on February 22, 2023, 12:06 am
@orion, oh wow, for a male your size 300 grams is probably way too little.... you could eat almost the double amount of me 😉
@orion, oh wow, for a male your size 300 grams is probably way too little.... you could eat almost the double amount of me 😉
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Jenny on February 22, 2023, 3:54 am
@orion
I think we’ve both done the same thing. Low vA and low choline. Not a match made in heaven 🙄
I discovered the importance of phosphatidylcholine at the beginning of 2021 after listening to Chris Shade webinars and reading Ben Lynch Dirty Genes book. I immediately presented my finding to GS who rejected my knowledge. I ignored him and added back in eggs. However, I was probably affected by his reaction as I didn’t add eggs every day. I probably stopped further deterioration but didn’t do enough to replenish. It wasn’t until Andrew B did a proper experiment and started to talk about choline and post research that I truly saw the light. I watched a couple of videos and read Steven Zeisel’s research and thought WOW. Since then the evidence that a severe phosphatidylcholine deficiency is my big issue has just built and built. I’m trying to warn all newcomers to do the vA detox in a ‘choline rich’ way. Eat lots of meat or keep in 1-2 eggs a day. Very simple to avoid this disaster. Not so easy to repair the damage once it has occurred.
@orion
I think we’ve both done the same thing. Low vA and low choline. Not a match made in heaven 🙄
I discovered the importance of phosphatidylcholine at the beginning of 2021 after listening to Chris Shade webinars and reading Ben Lynch Dirty Genes book. I immediately presented my finding to GS who rejected my knowledge. I ignored him and added back in eggs. However, I was probably affected by his reaction as I didn’t add eggs every day. I probably stopped further deterioration but didn’t do enough to replenish. It wasn’t until Andrew B did a proper experiment and started to talk about choline and post research that I truly saw the light. I watched a couple of videos and read Steven Zeisel’s research and thought WOW. Since then the evidence that a severe phosphatidylcholine deficiency is my big issue has just built and built. I’m trying to warn all newcomers to do the vA detox in a ‘choline rich’ way. Eat lots of meat or keep in 1-2 eggs a day. Very simple to avoid this disaster. Not so easy to repair the damage once it has occurred.
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Andrew B on February 22, 2023, 4:23 am
I could only eat 450 grams of beef mince and/or chicken at most in one day and I'm 65 kgs 5 ft 11. I think the 1-2 eggs a day I ate helped absorption and in theory I've been 'healthy' eating for 20 years (minus previous food intolerances I sorted) except high carrots, sweet potatoes, kale and latterly liver. But on this detox I think extra choline was necessary for me so one more egg was my number. I did 4 eggs a day but with hindsight increased detox a bit much although glad I speeded things up a bit. It's relatively easy to eat one egg than eating 100 more grams of beef mince or pork or chicken.
I could only eat 450 grams of beef mince and/or chicken at most in one day and I'm 65 kgs 5 ft 11. I think the 1-2 eggs a day I ate helped absorption and in theory I've been 'healthy' eating for 20 years (minus previous food intolerances I sorted) except high carrots, sweet potatoes, kale and latterly liver. But on this detox I think extra choline was necessary for me so one more egg was my number. I did 4 eggs a day but with hindsight increased detox a bit much although glad I speeded things up a bit. It's relatively easy to eat one egg than eating 100 more grams of beef mince or pork or chicken.
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Inger on February 22, 2023, 7:14 am
Yes eggs seem to be the savior if you cant digest that much meat. I have the opposite issue, I could easily eat like 2 pounds of meat or more a day, I never had issues digesting meat. I have to try eat less meat than I would want to. I was eating 1 kg meat until last summer and cut back to about 600 grams / day. Because too much protein also had its downsides, like getting too hot, and too much iron eventually eating so much red meat.
I guess it must have something to do with genetics.....
Yes eggs seem to be the savior if you cant digest that much meat. I have the opposite issue, I could easily eat like 2 pounds of meat or more a day, I never had issues digesting meat. I have to try eat less meat than I would want to. I was eating 1 kg meat until last summer and cut back to about 600 grams / day. Because too much protein also had its downsides, like getting too hot, and too much iron eventually eating so much red meat.
I guess it must have something to do with genetics.....
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Alex on March 2, 2023, 5:05 pm
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AlexM on February 20, 2023, 7:24 pm
- Bacillus Indicus HU36™
“Produces carotenoids: lycopene, astaxanthin, beta-carotene, and lutein. Produces quinols and vitamins”
Ok so I’ve been using the Mega Sporebiotic and it’s turned my stools a very reddish/purplish brown colour, never seen anything like it before. I have had orangey brown stools on the detox but never this colour. Wonder if it’s from carotenoids the Sporebiotic is producing or if I’m now getting rid of my own stored ones.
It also appears to have rattled some latent pathogen in my gallbladder and I have been having gallbladder pain, intolerance to red meat (iron), heart palpitations, high glutamate symptoms since taking it. Hopefully this reaction to the Sporebiotic is a detox and is getting rid of some pathogen rather than it feeding pathogens in my gallbladder.
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AlexM on February 20, 2023, 7:24 pm
- Bacillus Indicus HU36™
“Produces carotenoids: lycopene, astaxanthin, beta-carotene, and lutein. Produces quinols and vitamins”
Ok so I’ve been using the Mega Sporebiotic and it’s turned my stools a very reddish/purplish brown colour, never seen anything like it before. I have had orangey brown stools on the detox but never this colour. Wonder if it’s from carotenoids the Sporebiotic is producing or if I’m now getting rid of my own stored ones.
It also appears to have rattled some latent pathogen in my gallbladder and I have been having gallbladder pain, intolerance to red meat (iron), heart palpitations, high glutamate symptoms since taking it. Hopefully this reaction to the Sporebiotic is a detox and is getting rid of some pathogen rather than it feeding pathogens in my gallbladder.
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