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Sulphate (sulfate)
@jaj from I've read, mercury blocks the metabolism of sulfur, but at the same time sulfur causes mercury detox. I think a lot of people on this forum are actually mercury toxic, and it's related with VA. It's all seems to be very difficult. Interestingly, does anyone has tried to approach from the other side and accept. mercury chelators?
Yes there is a mercury connection. I didn’t want go down too many rabbit holes. Greg Nigh doesn’t mention the mercury connection in his book but internet links (trustworthy??) told me that reactions to thiol foods (sulphur not attached to methionine) are because it stirs up mercury. Moves it around. I do think this is an issue for me. I’m taking a mercury binder (Toxaprevent) and not overdoing thiol foods. More internet searching told me that chelation is not required and either Epsom salt baths (mercury free kids site) and/or boosting glutathione (Chris Shade, Elliot Overton) are better. I’m doing both of those. Mercury blocks heme synthesis as well and causes increased porphyrins in susceptible people. This same heme pathway is related to pyroluria. As you say it’s complex.
Not saying this is 100% reliable but I found information interesting: https://return2health.co.uk/articles/thiol-intolerance-and-mercury-toxicity
Quote from Jenny on January 26, 2022, 1:29 amYes there is a mercury connection. I didn’t want go down too many rabbit holes. Greg Nigh doesn’t mention the mercury connection in his book but internet links (trustworthy??) told me that reactions to thiol foods (sulphur not attached to methionine) are because it stirs up mercury. Moves it around. I do think this is an issue for me. I’m taking a mercury binder (Toxaprevent) and not overdoing thiol foods. More internet searching told me that chelation is not required and either Epsom salt baths (mercury free kids site) and/or boosting glutathione (Chris Shade, Elliot Overton) are better. I’m doing both of those. Mercury blocks heme synthesis as well and causes increased porphyrins in susceptible people. This same heme pathway is related to pyroluria. As you say it’s complex.
Not saying this is 100% reliable but I found information interesting: https://return2health.co.uk/articles/thiol-intolerance-and-mercury-toxicity
Why is it not required? Yes, mercury detox can cause problems, but how else to be treated?
Interestingly, they mentioned the methylation of inorganic mercury into the (much more toxic) form of methylmercury. I hadn't even thought about such a possible connection with methylation before. And all these connections of folic acid and B12 supplements with cancer... Perhaps that's why folic acid supplements can cause problems.
There are several ways. Not depleting it. Supporting recycling. I take a glutathione containing supplement. Exercise is supposed to increase too.
It’s in my specialist pyloria supplement. I know that Seeking Health do a glutathione supplement but I don’t have personal experience of it. Ben Lynch is always saying it’s great...but then he would! I do need to listen to Chris Shade (Quicksilver) on how they raise glutathione as he’s a mercury toxicity expert. But I haven’t got round to it yet. There is a lot of different opinions on this. I don’t know who is right.
Edit: was doing a search on forum for mercury chat and came across this link https://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/what-not-to-do.html
Some mercury toxic people felt worse with glutathione. 🤷♂️
@jaj I'm waiting 1 week off Zn to run my 24h HPU. I know I have some Hg inside (5 amalgams taken out and Hg on HTMA) but I've come to the conclusion that knowing exactly what to do about that is hard.
I've done 17 rounds of ACC I think and reached 200mg ALA easily. I also think that it gave me sulfur bacteria overgrowth, and I had to take metronidazole.
I've tried the "push and pull" from Shade with bitters and binder. I felt nothing better/worst on it.
I've tried several DMSA round only too. I felt nothing better/worst on it.
If anything, I think that during the first ALA round I "felt" that something was going on. Very subtle sensation but still something.
Sounds like you’ve really gone for it Mat. I don’t like the idea of doing anything too aggressive. I still have three amalgams left, but apparently removing them all can cause a mercury dump which I find concerning. I’m supplementing zinc and selenium, doing Epsom salt baths and using binders. I found some interesting information (that made sense for me) on a site called mercury free kids but he suggests ingesting Epsom salts.
Interesting about the overgrowth of sulphur bacteria. If Greg Nigh is to be believed (and it makes a lot of sense to me) then sulphur bacteria overgrow because there is a sulphate deficiency. They grow to become ‘hydrogen sulphide making factories’ that can be converted by the mitochondria to desperately needed sulphate. If availability of sulphate is not improved these bacteria will grow again (if GN correct). That the body is always trying to do its best in the circumstances thrown at it, is a core naturopathic principle and one which makes complete sense to me.
"That the body is always trying to do its best in the circumstances thrown at it, is a core naturopathic principle and one which makes complete sense to me."
100%.
I'm skeptical of supplementation approaches (even when there's little financial incentive) and complex protocols most of the time. Many alleged deficiencies in chronically ill people are due to disrupted enzyme function. e.g. elevated retinoic acid inhibiting transketolase causing thiamine deficiency, mercury and fluoride inhibiting a range of enzymes, elevated retinoic acid affecting methylation. Our biochemistry can be affected in many ways but the key to restoring health often simply involves gently improving excretion of bile toxins, improving liver health and improving health holistically with the true naturopathic "do no harm" approach: a nutritionally adequate and balanced diet, moderate exercise, sun exposure and relaxation in nature.
A couple of sidenotes:
Sun exposure doesn't just provide vitamin D. It has other effects including lowering A and boosting the production of nitric oxide which is important for cardiovascular health.
Some researchers believe that fluoride is more toxic than lead. Either way, it's very toxic, it affects the balance of magnesium and other nutrients, inhibits enzyme function, raises blood pressure, lowers IQ and much more. In many places we are medicated with it in the water without our consent. This is done despite the science clearly showing it is toxic, there is no justification as the only debatable benefit it can provide is from topical application to teeth.