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Testing Liver After 8 months on diet.

No this is straight from India they have a famous aryivedic centre for skin diseases joint pain autoimmune a lot people visit from all over and I been there myself

Coincidently they actually recommend low vitamin A food they cut a lot of spices, dairy, tomatoes, eggs and many other fruits and vegetables are also to be stopped. I was so surprised.

Techniques include brushing, oil pulling, pranayama breathing, oil daily massage specific oil and circular massage of liver area, aryivedic medecine which is usually a mix of bitter herbs affecting liver bile, Turmeric but not in excess.

There is a research about excess Turmeric and sandalwood causing autoimmune like vitiligo in Indian areas with high consumption so they warned me it causes too much detox. They don't know about VA of course. My own personal theory is that these plants cause the liver to release VA very fast and combined with the low beef consumption in India ( low taurine and zinc potentially) it could mean less retinol binding protein causing the VA to leak into the skin quickly.

But anyway getting sidetracked.i have seen much improvements following their cleansing of course there is much more it goes really in depth maybe I can share more in a new thread when I have time.

Hey @bella,

 

I just read some of your recent posts and wanted to update you. So far my results have been mixed. Since trying liver earlier, I've basically only included dairy products(milk, butter, some cheese) in my diet, along with occasional eggs and green vegetables. I also tried orange juice once, which I had the worst reaction too. I tried tomatoes again, and it wasn't too bad, but not something I plan on having frequently. Most vegetables are far more mild for me than fruit, liver, and dairy products.

 

I've had some issues slowly creep up with Vitamin A consumption. I've had occasional headaches and some mild depression. My skin also doesn't look quite as good, and my sclera's aren't so white. Most of my other symptoms seem to be at bay, but it sure feels like my body is trying to get rid of the Vitamin A. I have a desire to be much more physically active than normal when I have vitamin A rich foods.  My hunch is that consuming Vitamin A interferes with the utilization of Vitamin A. Something I've also noticed is that if I consume Vitamin A food once(dairy or liver) and go low Vitamin A for a few days after, I actually feel better. What I'm planning to try out now is eating a low Vitamin A diet during the week(mostly starch, some meat, vegetables, fruit). On the weekends I plan to have some dairy products and maybe liver if it's around. I'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the update @YH. I’m glad you’re finding a way of eating that’s working out for you. I also appreciate you giving such detailed observations on your experience.

As for me I’m not sure what I’ll settle on in the long run but for now I’m doing low A again. I’ve been considering a cholesterol supplement to keep my cholesterol from going much lower.

If I were feeling good I wouldn’t be considering taking that but the truth is that right now I’m feeling worse than I have in quite a while even though I have no autoimmune symptoms. I’m having increased fatigue, dryer skin, brittle nails and mood swings. Hopefully it’s “detox” or something like that but I the fact that I started feeling worse close to the nine month mark just seems plain confusing. Sorry if I’m repeating myself and thanks for reading! 🙂

Quote from Bella on May 14, 2019, 7:08 pm

Thanks for the update @YH. I’m glad you’re finding a way of eating that’s working out for you. I also appreciate you giving such detailed observations on your experience.

As for me I’m not sure what I’ll settle on in the long run but for now I’m doing low A again. I’ve been considering a cholesterol supplement to keep my cholesterol from going much lower.

If I were feeling good I wouldn’t be considering taking that but the truth is that right now I’m feeling worse than I have in quite a while even though I have no autoimmune symptoms. I’m having increased fatigue, dryer skin, brittle nails and mood swings. Hopefully it’s “detox” or something like that but I the fact that I started feeling worse close to the nine month mark just seems plain confusing. Sorry if I’m repeating myself and thanks for reading! 🙂

Sorry to hear you have backtracked @bella

Those do sound like detox or VA symptoms.  I think if the liver can hold up to 2 years worth of VA, it might be better to wait until all symptoms are clear for many months before testing larger doses of carotenoids and preformed vitamin A.

Have also noticed the lower to complete zero VA intake I go, the more severe the detox flares.  I am approaching 7 months, and feel like I am out of the bad flares now, week to week things continue to improve.

 

Quote from Orion on May 15, 2019, 5:08 am
Quote from Bella on May 14, 2019, 7:08 pm

Thanks for the update @YH. I’m glad you’re finding a way of eating that’s working out for you. I also appreciate you giving such detailed observations on your experience.

As for me I’m not sure what I’ll settle on in the long run but for now I’m doing low A again. I’ve been considering a cholesterol supplement to keep my cholesterol from going much lower.

If I were feeling good I wouldn’t be considering taking that but the truth is that right now I’m feeling worse than I have in quite a while even though I have no autoimmune symptoms. I’m having increased fatigue, dryer skin, brittle nails and mood swings. Hopefully it’s “detox” or something like that but I the fact that I started feeling worse close to the nine month mark just seems plain confusing. Sorry if I’m repeating myself and thanks for reading! 🙂

Sorry to hear you have backtracked @bella

Those do sound like detox or VA symptoms.  I think if the liver can hold up to 2 years worth of VA, it might be better to wait until all symptoms are clear for many months before testing larger doses of carotenoids and preformed vitamin A.

Have also noticed the lower to complete zero VA intake I go, the more severe the detox flares.  I am approaching 7 months, and feel like I am out of the bad flares now, week to week things continue to improve.

 

Thanks for your reply and encouraging words @orion. I have wondered how much our individuality impacts when, if and how we detox. It seems complicated.

I looked up my estimated  VA intake on cronometer for the past year and despite being on a low-no A diet for most of the last 10 months it shows I’ve reached 69% of my RDI on average! Wow, that’s eye opening. I never included the retinyl palimate I took either.

 

@bella I'm sorry to hear you're going through more detox symptoms. I've also had a reoccurrence of a small rash on my stomach and some skin peeling as well. I've tried to eat more carbohydrates(starch in particular) throughout the day, and that has helped reduce some of these detox symptoms. I'll probably keep eating low Vitamin A through the weekend and see how long it takes for the symptoms to subside.

Quote from YH on May 16, 2019, 9:25 pm

@bella I'm sorry to hear you're going through more detox symptoms. I've also had a reoccurrence of a small rash on my stomach and some skin peeling as well. I've tried to eat more carbohydrates(starch in particular) throughout the day, and that has helped reduce some of these detox symptoms. I'll probably keep eating low Vitamin A through the weekend and see how long it takes for the symptoms to subside.

I hope they subside for you quickly. My inflammation went away within days of resuming low A.

I’m starting to consider that oxalates may be an additional issue for me and a contributing factor in my detox symptoms. I’m not 100% certain yet but I know my oxalate consumption dramatically increased when I went low A. I’m going to see if eliminating the high oxalate foods makes a difference and I’ll report back. 🙂

@bella

I'm sorry for my english...

When I suddenly stopped oxalates, I had „honeymoon“ period for 3-4 days and felt better and then oxalate dumping started. I used to have oxalate dumping before low vitamin A diet, but I didn't know it but now they are more intense.

These are my oxalate dumping symptoms:

My mood is very low, depression, brain fog worse, vision is more blurry, shaking and internal tremors, urinary urgency, fatigue, weakness, my gut is worse-inflammation, kidney pain, my hair is worse and fall out (oxalate inhibits biotin-dependent enzymes), I have not many oxalates in the body now, mostly in the brain, my neurological problems get worse – speech, stuttering and handwriting is worse… (I was surprised that many women describe these symptoms in the low oxalate group). The first days I had muscle and bone pains. I have neck stiffness, headaches...immune system is low, sore throat, flu like symptoms...My skin is itching. I am suddenly very cold – oxalate can be stored in thyroid.

When the dumping symptoms are bad, I eat high oxalate food – and the body goes from detox mode to storage mode.

B1, B6, biotin, B complex, proteins – the most important lysine are making my oxalate dumping worse. I supplement lysine. I use homeophatic form oxalicum acidum and after use, these symptoms become stronger and then I feel better.

Vitamin E, K (vitamin A antagonist?), zinc, proteins, taurin, liver support, infrarot sauna, sunbathing are making my vitamin A symptoms worse… In the beginning I had copper and zinc problems (zinc is important in vitamin A metabolism)– not deficiency, vitamin A inhibits their function??, my hair the last months grew grey, fast white (copper deficiency, biotin problems???) I have calcium problems, vitamin A antagonizes vitamin D.

Four years ago I had vitamin D deficiency – I didn‘t know it and I took Rosita cod liver oil, one teaspoon 3900 IU vitamin A, after each dose I felt horrible, I was almost suicidal, I thought the oil is probably contaminated…but the oil has very bad vitamin A:D ratio 10:1 for someone who is vitamin D deficient. Additional vitamin A worsened my symptoms of vitamin D deficiency… Then I started to supplement vitamin D… the first weeks I felt worse but then better and better, my mood was better, my joints and muscle pains disappeared. Later, I started to supplement vitamin A again because I was worried that vitamin D would reduce it too much (I read all the theories about fat-soluble vitamins – Chris Materjohn, Morley Robbins, vitamin K2 and calcium paradox, Paul Jaminet, westonprice, Natasha Campbell – gaps diet… ) and then my vitamin A toxicity started slowly. Only Dr. John Cannell from vitamin D council wrote about the dangers of vitamin A and cod liver oil.

There was a post about fasting...

I think the best way to detox - vitamin A, oxalates, heavy metals…. is a diet rich in proteins – very important and nutrients, minerals with liver, adrenal, kidney support… fasting is not a good idea, the body needs support and nutrients to detox, I've been chelating heavy metals for years and I had adrenal fatigue.

I don’t know if vitamin A is a „toxin“ (certainly for me now) but oxalates are very potent toxin in the sense of e.g. heavy metals if the body is unable to excrete them (kidney failure, too much oxalates in foods…), Oxalates can be stored at the location of old injuries, inflammation… I think if the body is overloaded with one toxin „vitamin A“, heavy metals, it will be harder for the body to rid of other toxins - oxalates. If someone is eating a very restrictive diet – only beef and white rice (white rice and whole grain jasmine rice are the most tolerable grains for me, the second millet), little vegetables – this diet has no gluten, very low in vitamin A, oxalates, lectins… I think a person doesn't have to do a carnivore diet to have these benefits but many women make a carnivore diet, keto because of being overweight. Yesterday I read in carnivore women group, many women have again vivid dreams – this was my first „symptom“ on low vitamin A diet, I can remember my dreams.

Hi @bludicka,

Thanks for sharing your experience and insights.

Zinc is a key atom needed in the formation of the alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes. Niacin is an important cofactor too. The alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes are needed to detoxify not only alcohol, but other toxins too, including retinol.

See:

https://pdb101.rcsb.org/motm/13

Grant

 

Just catching up with this interesting thread. I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been having health problems again Bella. One thing that came to mind was Garrett Smith likening restarting VA to going caffeine free for a while & then having a coffee. The body over reacts to start with as it’s adjusted to not having caffeine. I thought this could describe your experience Bella. Maybe liver not the best thing to try as it’s so high in VA. Just a thought.