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The Seborrheic Dermatitis thread
@mat, my last serum test was 322 mcg/L , with lab range being 490-720, after 2 years on diet. After 1 year it was 1,74 μmol/L, (not sure in mcg) . I've been on rather strict diet - mostly beef from steaks, corned beef etc., rice, cauliflower, potatoes, sometimes white bread, apples, with occasional social eating & sleep-offs but still low vit A, for two years.
Yes I noticed improvement in seb derm, right before the diet it was at it's worst in my life, some days my cheeks had visible peeling. The pattern you describe is the pattern I have as rosacea (red skin but not seb derm)
After the diet some days I was completely free of SD, some days it was affecting eyebrows and between. I'm no longer on strict diet but still avoid high vis A food. I don't eat eggs for example, but have eaten cheeses, maybe I was wrong in that, as Tim says you should avoid dairy with fat..
Just to clarify I didn't mean that formaldehyde production goes up during fasting, I just meant to illustrate that it's still there even when fasting.
I think there are possibly a range of causes, I said that Hypervitaminosis A is at least a major cause. My idea about retinoic acid killing skin cells causing seb derm was just a possibility but if grapes has consistently low serum retinol and still has some seb derm present then it becomes less plausible. The body is complex though, it may be possible for serum retinol to be lower but for retinoic acid metabolism to be sluggish causing elevated levels.
With H2O2 I surprised that 10% doesn't clear it up fast. Are you applying it liberally? You need to apply it once every couple of days until the seb derm is under control and then about once to twice a week.
I agree that Hypervitaminosis A is a major cause, but directly or by a pathway that can be triggered by other stuff - not sure.
i also get some flare-ups when taking taurine, probably because taurine moves vit A. Not directly related to SD, but I'm very sensitive to lutein containing foods, maybe even more than before the diet. In a matter of hours they give me dry eye syndrome.
It looks like even though I test low serum retinol, I'm still very sensitive to any amounts of retinoids. Still I think low vit A diet could possibly be a way to reduce SD to a more bearable level.
I don't know if I have SD, but I have flaky skin on my nose(without the redness).. I have it like at least 20 years now( I am 35) and now it is somewhat worse. I don't know if it is because of winter or because I started eating more pectin from apples and beans. I will cut on pectin and will see if it helps.. I am close to 3 years on low A diet, but I think I have still long way to go.
Quote from tim on February 24, 2022, 7:19 amJust to clarify I didn't mean that formaldehyde production goes up during fasting, I just meant to illustrate that it's still there even when fasting.
I think there are possibly a range of causes, I said that Hypervitaminosis A is at least a major cause. My idea about retinoic acid killing skin cells causing seb derm was just a possibility but if grapes has consistently low serum retinol and still has some seb derm present then it becomes less plausible. The body is complex though, it may be possible for serum retinol to be lower but for retinoic acid metabolism to be sluggish causing elevated levels.
With H2O2 I surprised that 10% doesn't clear it up fast. Are you applying it liberally? You need to apply it once every couple of days until the seb derm is under control and then about once to twice a week.
Yeah I guess it's pretty hard to know for sure. Well here is my face after applying it 3x yesterday and 1x this morning. So yes after I put some on, it sting a lot and becomes very red. Then it improve somehow but far from fully. I also think that 3x per day is too much so I will reduce it to 1x per day for a couple of days but it doesn't seem to improve much further than what is on the pictures. I seem to really have a strong SD (sorry for the ugly black painting lol but not that confortable sharing a face like that on the internet.
@grapes See pics below. It's def not rosacea for sure, but the SD have spreaded a lot since 5 years. It started typical small patches here and there on the face + scalp/eyebrows and grew from there. Very hard to control.
Interestingly I do also have flare up with Taurine. I found some paper talking about that in psoriasis and SD. Taurine caused flare up often, and as per the research it was not about vA but because of the gut flora - high bacterial load that could deconjugate tauro-X biliary acids complex. But it was no more than a guess so it could very much be something else entirely. What's interesting is that it seem to be common in people with Sd an pso.
Interesting about the lutein. What does your diet look like and what are the worst "lutein offenders food" that you avoid ? Because lutein is present in a LOT of food.
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@cassia I did not entirely, but I did try something very similar with antibacterial stuff, similar diet + bile acids and it did nothing sadly.
@jiri Well that's not encouraging for sure ! It seems like some form of SD but as you can see mine is very very bad lol.. How's you're serum retinol looking like after 3 years ?
@mat I never tested vit A in serum. It is not available here in the lab where I am doing blood tests.. I realized that I was going crazy on all kinds of different ideas lately, but I think I need to come back to electrolyte protocol again.. https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/electrolyte-protocol-by-gbolduev/ I will start with liver flushes again.. This cholestasis that I still have is killing me for sure..
@jiri, I just went through the link - and I makes me tired just reading it, never mind following. But I am not dismissing its validity and hopefully effectiveness of the program.
I made a career out of following various programs until I found Karen Hurd (the bean queen) and Grant. Beans are easy and gentle at stimulating bile. On occasion, Karen advices to have 2 tbs of beans every 20 min 10-12 times per day, for several days at the time. If this doesn’t stimulate bile production, I am not sure what will - unless you have severe damage and deficiencies that require more aggressive approach.
I recovered my digestive functions, something I didn’t think would ever happen. I am 57 y.o. so restoration is not as swift as in the younger people. Also, Grant was pretty seriously ill and his limited diet did the trick. This has always been my inspiration and a kick in my ass to “be calm and carry on”. 🤓
Good luck with what appears as a very involved procedure. Keep as posted about your progress.
@beata-2 I am younger, but I ingested much more vit A in all kinds of forms including accutane and retinol supplements than you. I was also taking steroids. So all this makes things much more complicated and I think that is the reason why I can't handle beans. So pectin + lectins.. You have to have intestines in good shape to handle legumes. I have still issues with leaky gut as well for sure.. Btw yes Gbolduev is hard to read for someone who is not used to this biochemistry talk. 🙂 And what is better for stimulation of bile than legumes? I would say fats? That's why liver flushes are performed with olive oil and not with beans? Beans are good for eliminating the bile that is already there that's for sure. But I use oats for this purpose. They have different type of soluble fiber beta glucan which doesn't reate aldehydes in the body..
@jiri, ha, ha, no assumptions please. I have a diploma in Biochemistry and used to be a nerd in scientific studies. But lately, I have been interested in a simpler approach to health, where one doesn’t try to doctor specific pathways with this or that medicament or supplement because oftentimes it doesn’t work and it costs a bundle.
Beans are great for bile production because when old bile is eliminated, the new bile is made. It is a simple and elegant mechanism and when it works, it heals - and this is my first hand experience.
Good to hear that you found other ways. I hope whatever you do will get you results. Good luck.