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The Seborrheic Dermatitis thread
@beata-2 Well then Gbolduev with his style should be "your guy" 🙂 I also like simple approach, but once someone completely changed how the body works with drugs it is really hard to fix that.. He says long fast is the best way to do it. I can't handle it. I have done 3 day fast and I was on my death bed heh..
@jiri, fasting…hmm, I did the Master cleansing twice a long time ago when it was fashionable but afterward always wondered why I did it. I also did 10 days juice fast and again, I haven’t felt it was beneficial. I am not sure that I have metabolism for a fast because after a day without food I get stiff cold - literally like being in the freezer. So, as tempting as it is and as attractive as some people make it, I find it really really hard.
Yes, it is hard when drugs mess things up. But the body ‘wants’ to be healthy and it has an amazing power of restoration. You will get there!
@jiri thanks for linking the electrolyte protocol. It’s talking about all the pathways I’ve become very interested in - sulphation, de novo NAD production, glutathione recycling etc. All highly significant. I’m sure it holds some good information. I will study it when my brain wakes up!
I’m also in agreement with @beata-2 that sometimes simple is best. I really like Karen Hurd’s work. I also think that going up a level in Klinghardt’s pyramid of healing is helpful sometimes. I can get too caught up in biochemistry rabbit holes and find my brain befuddled, my stress levels sky high and spend too much time spent looking at screens. I then think of the pyramid and do something else. https://klinghardtinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Explore-5-Levels-Of-Healing.pdf
@mat ,
Interesting inside about taurine. Today my diet is not quite stable, I try to find a diet low in vitamin A and in iron, and it's a hard task. I eat chicken, but quickly become sort-off put off with it, pork belly, some salmon, sardines, rice, some white bread, bananas. My worst lutein offenders, basically anything with lutein depending on amount and accumulation. Last week it was broccoli, chamomile tea, maybe something else.
Based on your picture I wouldn't dismiss rosacea. The sort of red dots is very similar to rosacea subtype 2. Anyway they often overlap and can be confused with each other. For me when one has redness but not rough, scaling skin it's more likely rosacea. Probably, the "deep" cause is more or less the same.
@grapes I meant to add to my comment above that I’m very interested in lutein too (and taurine effects as well but I don’t have a theory about that!!). I get eye reaction - conjunctivitis - to lutein. This has been worse post covid and worse if I supplement vitamin C (250mg). I’ve been having to strictly avoid it. I’ve cut out vC now and seem a little less sensitive to it. Post covid I’ve become very aldehyde sensitive, hence my exploration of the ALDH cofactor NAD (see NAD deficient thread). I don’t know if slow ALDH and lutein sensitivity are connected. VC slows ALDH too so this could have made ALDH worse. I have a feeling there is something about lutein and ALDH in Garrett Smith’s network. I shall see what I can find.
Quote from grapes on February 27, 2022, 1:43 am@mat ,
Interesting inside about taurine. Today my diet is not quite stable, I try to find a diet low in vitamin A and in iron, and it's a hard task. I eat chicken, but quickly become sort-off put off with it, pork belly, some salmon, sardines, rice, some white bread, bananas. My worst lutein offenders, basically anything with lutein depending on amount and accumulation. Last week it was broccoli, chamomile tea, maybe something else.
Based on your picture I wouldn't dismiss rosacea. The sort of red dots is very similar to rosacea subtype 2. Anyway they often overlap and can be confused with each other. For me when one has redness but not rough, scaling skin it's more likely rosacea. Probably, the "deep" cause is more or less the same.
That is hard ! Most foods have some lutein in them. Just curious, how did you manage to find out that it was lutein that offended you the most ? I guess you adopted a very restrictive diet of things like white rice + chicken + olive oil (not even sure about the lutein content of olive oil) and then started from here to add things back in ?
I have tried this methods of big elimination several time but maybe not long enough IDK. How long did you need to "reset" following such restrictive diet pattern and to see that it was working, and then worsening when adding new food ? I feel It's not something that work for me, but again I might have did it wrong or not long enough I'm not sure
Well for the rosacea type 2 - IDK either. If I don't "scratch" the skin off my face with a towel after some hot steam to soften it an then apply certain cream liberally, it is very rough and scalling for sure. I feel it's different from the "smooth" rosacea skin
I would agree on the deeper causes tho for sure
@mat ,
you're right, I was on a very restrictive diet with mostly rice + beef + cauliflower + white bread, and dry eyes syndrome has disappeared. Then I started eating bread with olives and it reappeared, so thinking of it I understood it was lutein. Lately after reintroducing other foods the connection was confirmed. Also it's possible someone else on board, or maybe Grant has mentioned before that the connection of lutein to eyes health.
@jaj, you have done some amazing research Jenny and I don’t doubt for a minute that it is valid and important. My comments about the diets / pathways etc. were never dismissive or critical.
It is just that I am soo tired of my life-long search for the best diet, and having gone through protocols, systems, genetics, studies and pathways - I feel defeated. But I also realise that all this should not be so bloody difficult!! We have been eating since we have existed and observation rather than science was the foundation of our diets.
My grandparents had a small holding, lived off the earth, worked hard and died in their old age. Had they seen my predicament in the kitchen, they would wonder if I lost my mind…
Now we know more but we are also more broken and still searching. What if everything we think we know only distracts us from the simplicity of it all?
I have been listening to Dr.Tom Cowan and his forays into the German New Medicine - and I think I like it much more that dissecting biochemical precesses. I want to believe in the body’s healing abilities and provide the platform for it to happen.
Reflecting on taurine + bacteria study @mat mentioned, I'm a believer that both Terrain and Microorganism theories are valid and complete each other. That's why you see different people being affected or not by the same food, some have gut bacteria able to metabolize it and some not. That's the reason I think it's so hard to solve our health problems relying on only one concept.
@grapes Yes I 100% agree about both hypothesis working together. It's simple biology : provide an environnement favorable to a living organism, and it will thrive on it.
So the germ theory only is wrong. You will go nowhere trying to kill your way out of chronic disease most of the time.
But the opposite terrain theory can be wrong too - some seem to think that bacteria, fungus etc are all loving creature that is helping the body getting rid of toxic stuff. That is dead wrong as well to me : this is not dysneyland.
These micro organisms are here because the are fed by our toxic garbage yes - but you are dead wrong if you think that it's for help. They will do what every biologic system is wired to do : consume, reproduce and die. They don't care about your well being
Noted about the restrictive diet. So about the seb derm, when you were eating rice, chicken and cauliflower only your skin cleared up as well ? Or was it just the dry eyes ?