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there is is, the whole gamut, poor person. 🙁
Yeah, I've been almost a year and still get symptoms.
I suppose it means that during detox retinoic acid is floating around?
It just dawned (or redawned?) on me that is why the lists of VA underload and VA overload are the same.
In both, the body has retinoic acid floating around? (when an animal or person hasn't had VA for a long time, the body goes into detox mode. when an animal or person is just floating in VA, the body lives in detox mode.)
I suppose the only answer is support for the detox.
Yeah it will be retinoic acid that causes the detox symptoms.
Many seem to believe that the symptoms list for Hypervitaminosis A and VAD are similar but I'm not sure that that is true. The only proven symptom of VAD is Xeropthalmia, this doesn't appear in the big symptom list for Hypervitaminosis A. The eye symptoms in Hypervitaminosis A are not Xeropthalmia.
I think you are talking about VA underload in the diet when we still have plenty of VA in our body though? In that case yes, it seems that something is occuring to cause large releases of retinoic acid. My theory is that when liver cells receive the biochemical message to release VA in someone that has not eaten low VA before in their life it is a new experience similar to when someone fasts for the first time in their life. When someone fasts for the first time in their life the body can overproduce ketones in response, over time the ketone production normalizes. I think that something similar may happen with releasing VA. Also because our livers are storing so much VA, if the liver cells release VA they will likely release a larger amount than desired due to the concentration of VA stores. It could also be retinoic acid stored in our fat that is getting released at periodic intervals. Lastly other fat soluble toxins may be stored in the liver with VA and when VA gets released so do the other toxins adding to the detox symptoms.
thank you, very good answer, so much food for thought!
@tim-2 ack my computer is acting up I hope this doesn't go in wrong haha
I was revisiting your video blog and I wondered is there a shortcut to finding it? Like can you associate it with your avatar or something.
You seem to have the same hairline as me, and my brothers and my son. My son leaves it longer on top, and my brother buzzes it all over like you. You might want to try my son's way, just for the heck of it. It's softer.
Sometimes, I think it's just what people call a "franco hairline". I only mention this all because you've talked about your hair here.
And because I'm generally a busybody 🙂
I suppose that it is possible that the franco hairline (which I think has also been called a widows peak?) could be from VA? Who knows? I've always had a 5 head or a 6 head (not just a fore head). A patch of bangs in the center and wispy temples. Now that I think about my parents have this too. Once I pixied my hair and really regretted it.
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Most people say to cut mine shorter. There isn't any way around baldness, it looks bad no matter the length and has an enormous effect on one's appearance. My balding accelerated very quickly when I was eating WAPF style and slowed right down when I quit that.
Here's the link to my channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkFhr6r8lvZbGF6UEe9IwIw
Quote from tim on April 29, 2020, 6:11 pmYeah it will be retinoic acid that causes the detox symptoms.
Many seem to believe that the symptoms list for Hypervitaminosis A and VAD are similar but I'm not sure that that is true. The only proven symptom of VAD is Xeropthalmia, this doesn't appear in the big symptom list for Hypervitaminosis A. The eye symptoms in Hypervitaminosis A are not Xeropthalmia.
haven't been following this thread, but you're kidding about the xeropthalmia is not a big symptom for hypervitaminosis A right? this is the single most bothersome symptom for me and the only reason i found this site. severe dry eye is a HUGE symptom of isotretinoin users (not me) and there has been a huge increase in xeropthalmia in the general public, including children.
Quote from tim on May 29, 2020, 7:17 pmXeropthalmia != dry eyes. Look up the different stages of the WHO classification of it. Dry eyes from Hypervitaminosis A never progresses into blindness.
xerophthalmia literally translates to dry eye. it's not just general blindness, it's night blindness.
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/133705/WHO_NMH_NHD_EPG_14.4_eng.pdf
here's case study on isotretinoin causing night blindness
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4533586/ they're geniuses here because they stopped isotretinoin and supplemented with Vitamin A because it makes so much sense.
another one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10570558/
It's described in the first paragraph of the WHO document you linked. As I said just look up the different stages of the WHO classification for it. Starts with night blindness and dry eyes, ends in irreversible blindness. Full blown xeropthalmia can never occur due to retinol consumption.
As it says in the first paragraph of that study, Accutane can inhibit the production of retinal which is the form needed by the eye. It can cause a degree of VA deficiency in the eye.