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@janelle525 Actually just realised I was speaking about the user Viktor2 not sure if that is the same person on this thread or not.
Hmm I eat fruit and it doesn't feel like it is turning to lactate for me and feels metabolic, but if I eat ice cream (low fat) it does feel like it gets turned to lactate (legs and muscles just go really stiff when I work out in the gym after eating it and it doesn't feel like an efficient fuel at all, plus the ice cream was bad for my liver where as the fruit doesn't seem to be a problem for my liver. I am aware that ice cream is glucose + fructose. Mentioning the ice cream because I saw it mentioned in the "your brain needs glucose" thread. I haven't tried dextrose and while it does sound a lot better than refined sugar I'm still a bit unsure about it as it is just an isolated sugar and not a whole food.
Thats good you don't need sugar anymore (well I mean refined sugar), I don't think fruit is bad personally.
I've been eating oats for 1.5 years now and way too much of them, I think they're slowing down my bowels and bile and also feeding some kind of pathogen (like candida or mold) so I would like to get off them some how but I'm addicted. Would be good if I could eat rice again but ever since my gallbladder issues first started I've had issues with rice because of the arsenic likely. I used to have high arsenic on hair tests back when I used to eat rice before my gallbladder issues started and when I was detoxing metals.
@alexm I thought fruit felt good for my metabolism, but that was when I was glucose starved. It is quickly and easily absorbed and does have some glucose especially grape juice which I felt was the best. But I ended up having sluggish bile, higher LDL, VLDL and triglycerides. It's a quick source of fuel yes, but the fructose does slowly very slowly do the same thing that high fructose corn syrup does. Leads to visceral fat. There's not a lot different between HFCS and juice other than maybe some minerals. Fruit is definitely better, the fiber can probably help. But I think fruit is just too yin most of the time other than in the heat of summer. And I will be eating mangoes when my trees are producing! But that's for a couple months out of the yr.
I have not tried oats yet, I like beans better for bile.
I actually ate green lentils intermittently in order to try and raise my extremely low folate levels. Beans didn't sit right with me, and lentils were a bit better (maybe because I cooked them for quite a long time for them to turn mushy). The problem is that folate is getting destroyed by heat, and the more I cooked them to be more palatable, the less folate they contained. I was able to raise my blood folate flow below normal to somewhat above the bottom range by eating lentils though. It didn't drastically affect my overall health, however. When I wasn't vitamin A toxic and was eating green salads every day, my blood folate was in the top half of the reference range. I guess I'll try to re-introduce beans in a short while and see how I react. The thing is, I just don't really like legumes that much. Hummus is good maybe.
Early humans lived outside, shouldn't their high vitamin D protect them against chronic vitamin A toxicity?
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Quote from Janelle525 on June 17, 2024, 11:36 amEarly humans lived outside, shouldn't their high vitamin D protect them against chronic vitamin A toxicity?
I think it's probably a matter of how much vitamin A one can safely consume before becoming toxic, and we should also take into account that spending time in the sun only raises vitamin D levels when the sky is clear and one's shadow is lower than their height (provided there's any sunlight at all). Weren't some early humans living in pretty harsh showy conditions, by the way?
In any case, liver has such a high retinol content, that even moderate increases in its intake will mean the amount of retinol one is consuming can easily shoot far beyond a tolerable level. For instance, let's say that someone can eat 100 grams of liver a week in order to reap metabolic benefits and not get vitamin A toxicity. Let's assume that 200-300 grams of the same liver will eventually cause them retinol overload. The thing is, those additional 100-200 grams spread over a week can easily be overlooked and not really noticed. Some people have liver as their main meat source at a dinner, for instance, and don't give a second thought to the fact that having it as such twice a week instead of once a week is a substantial increase in vitamin A. Liver is really dense is nutrients, like very very dense, and I consider it more of a 'natural supplement' than a food.
Couldn't those pre-historic guys have eaten too much liver, given that hunting was their most vital source of sustenance and each and every morcel of the meat they'd risked they lives for was to be eaten? I don't think any natural sunlight and the vitamin D produced as a result can protect against extremely high intakes of vitamin A.
By the way, I've been sorting through old photos and screenshots on my phone recently and came upon a screenshot a nutritionist sent me a long time ago of a discussion with her colleagues. They said that beef liver was only to be eaten once a week due to its insanely high... no, not vitamin A, but actually copper content. Copper toxicity is another possibility when overeating beef liver, and that's part of why I actually prefer pork liver pate then cooked beef liver - it's lower in retinol and much lower in copper (a 100-gram serving of raw pork liver won't even cover the RDA for copper, and the pate contains even less of it).
Guys and girls here, I wanted you to know that I finally did the following tests: copper, ceruloplasmin, iron, ferritin, zinc, transferring saturation (TIBC) and am awaiting one last result to come back. Be ready for some mind-blowing readings that fall within the reference range and explain virtually nothing. Don't miss it. Stay tuned.
Sorry for the delay.
My labs from June 18th 2024
Ceruloplasmin - 0.18 (range 0.15-0.30);
Zinc - 13.5 (11.1 - 19.5);
Copper - 664.8 (510-1530);
Iron - 28.42 (10.7 - 28.6);
TIBC - 58.16 (46-72);
Ferritin - 33.2 (20 - 250).
A couple years ago, when I was at my worst on a low A diet, my zinc was above the upper range despite not taking any zinc supplements and not eating too much red meat while ceruloplasmin and copper were deficient. Now if's finally been corrected. Also, I can tolerate high iodine foods again, whereas not too long ago eating them 2-3 days in a row would always make me feeling hypothyroid (my thyroid labs weren't perfect but within range). Now I've been eating 5 grams/day of dried seaweed snacks for 5 days straight and feel fine. Nevertheless, I'll probably stick to having those 3 times a week from now on just to be sure I'm not overloading on iodine.
I still eat some pork liver pate about three times a week and have no plans to stop. As I said earlier, having eggs and cheese for vit A didn't have the same positive effect the liver has had. As for my high-ish iron and a bit low ferritin levels, I see two possible explanations: 1) Although eating liver has immensely helped with my metabolism issues, I may still be deficient in some vital nutrients, such as copper, and it will take some time to correct the balance between serum iron and ferritin; 2) As I'm a carrier of c282y, maybe having low ferritin is okay for me and better than it being high. My hemoglobin has stayed stable at 155-160 for the last three years or so, and I don't think I'm really at risk of getting anemia.
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to ask a quick question - I've been feeling somewhat shitty at times lately (not totally awful but not 100% great either) including and excluding some high-A and medium-A foods, such as liver, cheese, eggs, etc with no apparent correlation with the symptoms (those are the usual ones - foggy brain, fatigue, generally feeling toxic).
One dietary suspect might be my blueberries intake as I've been eating and adding to a milk-banana smoothie about 250 grams of blueberries a day. I've googled that blueberries are moderately low in b-carotene but very high in lutein.
Does it make sense that the lutein in them would cause me virtually the same symptoms as did beta-carotene back in the day (the severety isn't the same, though I ate significantly more carotene 3 years ago than I do lutein right now)? Briefly searching for "lutein" and "blueberries" on this forum has yielded mixed results: some say they react to lutein, while blueberries are seen as a mostly safe food.
Keep eating your liver, and keep feeling shitty.
You must be a troll. This is just rage bait.