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Vitamin A and sleep study
Yes! without exercize, sleeping is hard work! 🙂
my previous high VA diet gave narcolepsy. I was falling asleep everywhere and all the time, even at the wheel of my car while driving in the day. It was one of the first things to clear up just a few weeks after stopping VA.
I did get bouts of insomnia but i traced those to B1 deficiency. Once that was corrected, sleep was great again. For those that are nearing a borderline deficiency of B1, a diet high in white rice can definitely exacerbate this. It would be a good idea to explore this angle if you cant fall asleep at night.
Very interesting @jobo so pleased to hear about your narcolepsy clearing up.
The B1 & insomnia connection is something I haven’t heard before. B1 seems to be a very important vitamin - I’ve recently been reviewing B1 foods to ensure I’m including enough - macadamia nuts seem to be good (& yummy).
Interestingly, thiamine is very important for oxalate metabolism, people with oxalate toxicity are often low in B1. And many people use high dose thiamine for CFS and fibromyalgia treatment.
I had B1 50 mg (thiamin hcl)+ magnesium malate for two days now (I always take them on empty stomach, after waking up - I can better notice the effect) , the first day improved - especially better brain function, more energy, the next day light intracranial pressure headaches, fatigue and I slept all day. All nutrients that are likely to be low in VA toxicity (because of antagonistic effect of VA, these nutrients can not work optimally in the body if we are still VA toxic) cause me more intense VA dumping symptoms... But I always feel better first and then more detox symptoms, especially with copper, vitamin D, E, some b vitamins... But for me it is positive, the body is healing and rebalancing. With low VA diet we actually do something like "nutritional balancing" in our body but some of us need more support than others.
But if I take lower doses of B1 (I still take low doses of B complex regularly), those VA dumping symptoms aren't so severe.
Be careful with high doses of individual B vitamins - they work in synergy, you can cause the imbalance of other B vitamins.
And I think if the body is deficient in a key nutrient, it can't detoxify so effectively - maybe a problem with some people on a very strict diet.
"Vitamin B2 status is strongly affected by intake of vitamin B1. Adequate supplies of vitamin B1 can help increase levels of vitamin B2. However, very high levels of vitamin B1 intake can increase the loss of vitamin B2 in the urine. Other nutrients, especially iron, zinc, folate, vitamin B3 and vitamin B12 are not fully available in the body without adequate supplies of riboflavin."
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/b2-i-love-you.15209/page-6
"From my working with B2, I've seen that the other B vitamins rely on B2 to be activated or converted or used correctly. So by taking the B complex and juicing which concentrates nutrients you kept slowly depleting your storage locations of B2. The other bad thing about taking a complex is that you can absorb the several thousands of % of the other B's they put in them. But you can only absorb a fraction of the B2 so the complex itself is unbalanced.
Regarding a B complex. There are way too many of the B's you don't store in your body, that are contained in a complex. And by taking all of them, as soon as they are absorbed, B2 activates them so that lowers the B2. Then the body realizes you don't need that quantity of them and you urinate them away. So you do not get any benefit of additional B's that aren't stored and you only tax the B2 storage locations in your body."
Quote from Beata on October 26, 2019, 5:28 amIn the meantime I am still struggling with my sleep. Once I fall asleep (with great difficulty), I seem to be sleeping while awake! I know that I sleep because I even have a dream here and there yet it feels like I am not sleeping. Also, I can wake up somewhere at around 5 am and feel rested! I manage to fall asleep and wake up tired at my regular time.
A similar thing has been happening to me this past month. I will sleep longer, but wake up feeling “hungover” (I’ve never been hungover, so I’m not sure that’s the exactly right description, but anywayz). A few days I’ve woken up a couple hours before the alarm (at 5 am or so) and feel awake and ready to get to work... It’s such an odd and dramatic change.
For me, it might be related to caloric intake (I’ve been struggling with eating enough lately), but I do think John might be right about VA being a factor in insomnia. I’ve been going through a more intense detox due to implimenting Dr. Smith’s recent updates to the diet... This could bring on lowered appetite as well, for that matter.
Quote from tim on November 21, 2019, 6:57 pmI dont always sleep as well as i could if I haven't done my daily calisthenics: push ups, pull ups, chin ups and various other exercises. Doing sprints or even better boxing would be a good idea imo to fight insomnia.
When I first went low va I couldn't wait to get to bed, i would go to bed at 9 pm some days and sleep for 11 hours. I had extreme fatigue of body and mind but was relaxed at the same time. I also had vivid dreams. So I assumed that va causes sleepiness?
For me, the opposite is true! Even a relatively small amount of exercise can trigger insomnia for me. 😫 But then, I have CFS symptoms, which makes my body “exercise intollerant” in the first place.
Maybe VA has different effects in different people, depending where the toxicity occurs in the body?
Thank you, thank you, thank you @bludicka and @jobo ! 😁💐🌷🌸🌺
Dr. Smith suggested B1 to me, and I’ve been trying to buy some (apparently I can’t get it locally), but I had no idea about the insomnia and CFS connection!
I’ve been wanting brown rice porridge instead of white rice porridge lately, so that bit makes sense, Jobo.
I’m going to go read all the links, Bludicka. I really appreciate your taking the time to share all of that. It’s exciting to learn more about this, and to order the supplement as well.
Thanks again!! 😁
This guy has very good videos about B1, I was watching something yesterday: