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Vitamin K2
Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:00 pmVery intersting
Ghee has 2-3 times more k2 than butter and no casein. Might be the best option. I really do believe in aryvedic one of oldest medicines those indians must be on to something.
As far as westen a price and tribes eating liver. I call bullshit on that. Even if they wanted to, the cow only has one liver to share unlike muscle meat. Coming in from a 3rd world country and traditional diet I can tell you liver is seldom eaten.. Maybe few times a year and definetly isn't desirable.
The Eskimos gave organ meats to the dogs. This is according to Stephensons who actually lived with them.
Balkans eat lots of meat and dairy but it's non fortified with VA palmytate.
“I’ve been eating raw liver since I was born, just like my father and my grandfather before me,” said Abdul Azim Ali, 50, reminisced as he watched the camel being slaughtered.
WAPF is correct about liver being a sought after food around the world. VA is depleted through bile and many populations eat whole grains and even clays/ash etc which help remove VA in bile. It is also depleted through infectious disease which has been dramatically reduced in the West. It is also depleted through exposure to smoke and sunlight and intestinal parasites.
Most people in the West are not exposed to any smoke, do not eat a whole grain based diet (not suggesting that we should), do not get infectious disease, do not have intestinal parasites and are indoors most of the time.
Even if a person in the third world consumes plenty of retinol it is likely that these factors contribute to avoiding VA intoxication.
when I was in south India, people ate VA through plants and spices. They do drink milk but its unfortified. They seemed to have zero problems: no MPB in males, very smooth skin, elderly in good shape.
When you look at the lifestyle it makes sense. They are out in the sun all day, they walk and sweat everywhere.
but in reality their VA consumption just pales compared to the US/West as they don't drink fortified milk, dont take a multivitamins, don't have readily accessible option of unlimited foods and definitely don't follow orthorexic health advice. Their staple food is still rice.
even in that story the camel liver is chopped with onions and shared among a group of 5 men. Compare that to the average WAPF follower who will be eating an entire serving by himself weekly
Quote from tim on March 17, 2019, 2:53 amQuote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:00 pmVery intersting
Ghee has 2-3 times more k2 than butter and no casein. Might be the best option. I really do believe in aryvedic one of oldest medicines those indians must be on to something.
As far as westen a price and tribes eating liver. I call bullshit on that. Even if they wanted to, the cow only has one liver to share unlike muscle meat. Coming in from a 3rd world country and traditional diet I can tell you liver is seldom eaten.. Maybe few times a year and definetly isn't desirable.
The Eskimos gave organ meats to the dogs. This is according to Stephensons who actually lived with them.
Balkans eat lots of meat and dairy but it's non fortified with VA palmytate.
“I’ve been eating raw liver since I was born, just like my father and my grandfather before me,” said Abdul Azim Ali, 50, reminisced as he watched the camel being slaughtered.
WAPF is correct about liver being a sought after food around the world. VA is depleted through bile and many populations eat whole grains and even clays/ash etc which help remove VA in bile. It is also depleted through infectious disease which has been dramatically reduced in the West. It is also depleted through exposure to smoke and sunlight and intestinal parasites.
Most people in the West are not exposed to any smoke, do not eat a whole grain based diet (not suggesting that we should), do not get infectious disease, do not have intestinal parasites and are indoors most of the time.
Even if a person in the third world consumes plenty of retinol it is likely that these factors contribute to avoiding VA intoxication.
Very well said!
Hello,
I've not come here for a while so just an update.
I will soon post a summary of a few findings which can be of great help. It seems from what I am experiencing (not myself directly but people close to me struggling with these A issues) that the whole thing sums up in "oxygenation" of the body and cells. Calcium, Zinc, and vitamins E&K2 seem to be the keys here but the most important is the vasoconstriction/vasodilation process. In short, methods like cold adaptation, breathing retraining (ie Buteyko breathing), low/no A diet, calcium/K2 metabolism, etc. all have in common that the oxygenation of the whole body is increased. Basically, a body fully oxygenated cannot succumb to disease. This would explain a few things as I personally (as already written here) have no symptom whatsoever while consuming the A (raised on very A-rich diet) but what I have always done is meditation (which among other benefits, on the purely physiological level, slows breathing and increases body-wide oxygenation through increasing Co2 in the blood), cold adaptation (which oxygenates the organs then the extremities then the organs, etc. and leads to overall much better oxygenation on long term) and nose-breathing exclusively (nitric oxide production, co2 increase in blood and oxygenation, etc.). Also, I spend as much time as possible in pristine nature in Switzerland and do very long walks with very low "physical" and "electro" pollution etc. Overall, giving selected supplements or exercises which increase CO2 in blood and oxygen throughout the body lead to relief of symptoms very rapidly. The problem is, you have to adapt the whole body to a "superior" level of oxygenation so the symptoms don't come back. The main culprits here seem to be A excess (with other similar toxins) and lack of calcium, zinc, K2&E.
Also, it seems to me that to really detoxify from the A poison, you need to increase your blood CO2 and intracellular oxygenation.
I am still testing a few things however, reading, and meditating a lot in order to put "everything" together so I will post soon a "clear" summary of everything which works for "A-poisoned people" as far as I can observe it.
PS: For people struggling to understand why an increase in CO2 is necessary for the body to be oxygenated, see the "Bohr Effect" and read a few Buteyko articles. A deficiency of CO2 seems more probably as problematic if not more than the A thing (they are anyway related as the A toxicity seems to deplete the body from the CO2 stores and thus diminish oxygenation of the cells). Just try to breathe as little as possible (calmly, through the nose, but really really as little as possible so you feel a lack of air) for a few minutes. If you do it right, you should feel very warm and very "peaceful" while your symptoms subside quite quickly.
Best Regards,
Dino
Ah Dino that sounds interesting. I have had Butyeko breathing on my list to do. Thanks for the reminder and your thoughts.
Dino,
I’m probably misunderstanding but are you saying that once you do all these things. Adapting to cold, breathing right, etc then vitamin a won’t be toxic? I don’t have have a forest to walk through weekly as awesome as that would be so lowering A seems a lot less complicated.
Also I am all for cold showers but I am having children and can’t do that while pregnant, at least from what I’ve been told.
Thank god for low vitamin A food so I don't have to do all these chores lol
I mean Switzerland does sound like heaven. I understand living there you probably want to eat all those amazing chocolate and dairy treats
All these practices will make you detox A much more easily and probably help you to not store too much of it in the first place. This is what is meant here.
Best,
Dino
Eskimos have lots of A yet no problems with it. Me too. Grant and a few people here stop eating the A for long periods yet cannot eat it again unless their symptoms come back. So the A in itself (and liver filling) CANNOT be the root problem, NO WAY. There must be something else which makes that A (or excess A) very problematic for some, not for others.
Could it be thiamine, B1, deficiency?
Hi @paola,
There's no question that there are many factors at play here. There's been a lot of discussion here before about thiamine. I think it is much more of a factor in higher carb diets.
RE: "Eskimos have lots of A yet no problems with it."
That's not accurate to claim that they have no problems. The Inuit ( historically called the Eskimos) are one of the most disease prone populations in all of Canada. You can check the stats on Health Canada's web site. Historically, they have the highest rates of cancer, and diabetes of all Canada's provinces and territories.
I've worked in the Canadian arctic in the 1980s, and have met many people there. My own observations are in agreement with the government stats.