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Hey guys,
I have been doing the low vitamin A diet since December. First three months were awesome, but last three months have been rough. All started in October when I found Coimbra and his high vitamin D protocol for Auto immune (I am a type 1 Diabetic). Got to taking 20k IU per day of the D. Was awesome for 2 weeks, then turned into being unable to breathe/asthma/coughing up phlegm, so had to quit. In December, transitioned to low vitamin A diet. Still had lung issues, coughing up phlegm, but manageable.
March-April comes around and I start going out and getting sunlight. Feel amazing. Blood sugars amazing, energy good, calm. Maybe 35 minutes of a sun a day. Still have breathing problems but manage them with betaine HCL, charcoal, and some other things. I notice the breathing problems get worse after eating fats like olive oil or butter, or when I get very strict about just beef, potato/rice, and beans. Meaning symptoms get worse the stricter I am low vitamin A and by how much fat I consume. Around a month ago, I up sunlight to 1 hour per day and all hell breaks loose. Asthma comes back with a vengeance. Coughing up phlegm. Bloated every night like I was seriously pregnant, on the verge of diarrhea, going 2-3 times per day.
At this point, I have to take an albuterol inhaler just so I can breathe. I have tried dozens of supplements, the only things that help are activated charcoal on a 1 day delay (although makes teeth sensitive and yellow so I don't like it), and nebulized glutathione that is way too expensive to take long term but it is keeping my breathing decent.
After listening today to Grant's audiobook poisoning for profits, I realized I have exactly what those experimental kids from the 1800s have. They were bloated, diarrhea, sun sensitivity, and they were supposedly cured by cod liver oil. Definitely don't want to take that but I am getting to the point where I am willing.
What is going on here?! I am sure Smith would say "detox," but detox is getting worse, not better, which red flags me. Should I try some cod liver oil? All suggestions and ideas are welcome. I also am awaiting chest X Rays to make sure its not Pnem or Valley fever or something.
History: Accutane use in teenage years, ate liver 2-3 times a week for 3-5 years, followed Peat diet of Milk and Orange juice for 1-2 years.
I would reduce the sun exposure for now. Sunlight will do some serious vitamin A purging. I am able to do 1hr sun tanning now, without major flares, but I have 8 months low A completed, 4 of those months very low A and 4 months at zero A. The lower A I went the more severe the flare ups were. I am an accutane, VA food and supplement overloader as well.
What are your daily staples?
Sorry to hear of your problems. My gut and body reacted very badly to beans last week. Bloat and pain in the gut and swelling (in the feet) . It was like I pulled a muscle working on my farmlet with bloat going on? My rosacea looks so horrible, really bad. I think I'm just not ready for beans (or kraut for that matter).
Fiber has never really been a need for me. I eat loads of fats and meats and dairy and salt perhaps those keep me moving somehow.
Sun sensitivity is real too, and I have to go slowly with it. I can easily become dazzled. I'm metering it out and then cover up.
I assume some things might not feel so good when they change... and the worse the problem, probably the worse the detox (yikes!)
If low VA is easier (instead of zero) would that be the way to go? I'm sticking with low.
I'm pulling for you, I've got a type 1 loved one... Please do keep us updated!
I hope you guys aren't going high fat high protein on this diet.
You need carbs and fruits. I think we have an overloaded liver with vitamin A and other things. You need natural sources of vitamin c. Grant used pineapples. There are other fruits low in A.
Quote from Orion on July 2, 2019, 9:01 amI would reduce the sun exposure for now. Sunlight will do some serious vitamin A purging. I am able to do 1hr sun tanning now, without major flares, but I have 8 months low A completed, 4 of those months very low A and 4 months at zero A. The lower A I went the more severe the flare ups were. I am an accutane, VA food and supplement overloader as well.
What are your daily staples?
I stopped the sunlight a month ago when this flare up with asthma began.
Beef/Chicken, Refried Beans (tried black beans but gave Restless leg), Mashed potatoes or Jasmine Rice, Strawberries, pears, applesauce/juice, onions, garlic. Then I eat out 1-2 per week and probably get trace VA here and there.
I did a vit C IV last week. Also do Iodine now and then. 1g of TUDCA a day might have helped but I only did it for a few days, not sure.
Inhaled Glutathione seems to be what keeps the breathing problems at bay, without it I have trouble walking the dog without strain, my SP02 level is 92 avg, sometimes dipping to 90. It is pure misery on a level I have not experienced in awhile.
The trap I see is the detox trap...meaning if you are suffering on a low A diet, you are detoxing vitamin A. If you take more vitamin A, you detox less fast and you feel better but you are worse long term. This explanation is exactly the same as if vitamin A was a vitamin and not a toxin. I am worried that my "detox" symptoms are getting worse, and not better.
Quote from Ronnie on July 2, 2019, 9:17 amI hope you guys aren't going high fat high protein on this diet.
You need carbs and fruits. I think we have an overloaded liver with vitamin A and other things. You need natural sources of vitamin c. Grant used pineapples. There are other fruits low in A.
Fat seems to exacerbate my symptoms. I am low fat, high carb medium protein. Actually the same diet that in the 1800s gave those kids the bloating, light sensitivity, diarrhea, and eye problems that were then solved through cod liver oil.
I would call my meals "your basic square meal" with meat, carb, fat, fruit-or-veg. I often get the urge to sway the meal either higher in meat or higher in carb, and I'm trying to listen to my body. I strain/save meat fats and meat juices for usage.
I would avoid CLO, but I wonder if you test with egg yolk or liver... If these stop your symptoms, by changing the VA flow from out to inbound storage, could conclude that it is all detox related.
Have you tested with supplemental zinc and taurine? Could be helpful for RBP and detox pathways. Have you done a hairtest? Working with Dr. Smith might be an option as will, to see your mineral status. Your diet is very similar to mine, but it could be the detox is working you to hard. VA and the lungs are interconnected, I think this has been discussed in Grants work. Grant had mentioned that he would have eaten more fat initially as he thinks it helps excretion, again this could show that detox is working very hard, since you have issues with that.
Have you had positives even though you are having bad flares?
Logically, even if VA is a vitamin, it is quite unlikely that you would have gotten to the point of a severe deficiency in just 6 months. Most people have far more VA stored than that, and given your history you probably have far more VA stored than the average person. Unless your diabetic condition somehow impairs your ability to store VA, it just seems unlikely.
Personally I believe taste/cravings are a very powerful way to discern your nutritional needs. Do you find yourself craving any of the VA-containing foods you have cut out? Have you tried just having a bite of some VA-rich food like say a fresh bell pepper, tomato sauce or an egg yolk and noting how they taste to you? If you taste a high-VA food and it make you go "Mhmm damn I want some more of that!" then maybe you do have a deficiency of some kind, if it just tastes kind of Meh to you then I doubt you need it. Although I guess being a diabetic does complicate this kind of testing.
Quote from Orion on July 2, 2019, 11:01 amI would avoid CLO, but I wonder if you test with egg yolk or liver... If these stop your symptoms, by changing the VA flow from out to inbound storage, could conclude that it is all detox related.
Have you tested with supplemental zinc and taurine? Could be helpful for RBP and detox pathways. Have you done a hairtest? Working with Dr. Smith might be an option as will, to see your mineral status. Your diet is very similar to mine, but it could be the detox is working you to hard. VA and the lungs are interconnected, I think this has been discussed in Grants work. Grant had mentioned that he would have eaten more fat initially as he thinks it helps excretion, again this could show that detox is working very hard, since you have issues with that.
Have you had positives even though you are having bad flares?
I do have some liver, I could try an ounce and see what happens.
What I am really wondering is if I am experiencing a speed up of detox, or if VA is being oxidized and this is just bad for me. See that is always the question. If detox, then obviously Sunlight and extra Fat would be good, even if uncomfortable. If I am detoxing regularly, and this is a case of VA being oxidized, well then avoid avoid avoid. In other words, who says you have to feel detox happening for VA? Why is that a thing? Why does it not make sense that your body is just getting rid of VA overtime and you do not feel it?
This is a crucial question for this community because a lot of people are "detoxing" but if they changed some things around, maybe they would be no longer "detoxing" but would still be depleting VA. Maybe their detox symptoms are actually a sign something bad is happening and they need to change something as they continue to deplete VA. You say you got through the detox right? It got worse and then better?
Zinc doesn't do anything, Taurine might, but I have only tried it in TUDCA form.
The positives still outweigh not being able to breathe, but not by much at this point. Which is why I am seriously considering CLO, maybe as an emergency to have on hand.