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#21 · June 12, 2024, 11:38 am

Quote from Jessica2 on June 12, 2024, 3:31 am

You don't have to convince me fructose is bad! Isn't fructose the sugar Ray Peat really loved and said was the best? This is why I am weary of gurus anymore.

I'm not saying this doctor is wrong I would just like to see more evidence for his claims and a larger pool of subjects with a success rate. At one point in my life I was severely depressed and suicidal. It wasn't isolated doses of dextrose that got me out of that state. I'm just super wary of his claim that dextrose will give you unlimited physical energy health and cure all your mental woes. It just sounds very alluring and too good to be true. I would be the first one to take dextrose though if I knew it would stop hair loss! Haha

Again, I am very interested in hearing what you guys who are taking dextrose say about it.

I took ~1 Tablespoon with meals on Monday and Tuesday. Last night I had some gas and this morning loose stools. So I only had ~1 teaspoon this morning and will try again tomorrow with only 1 teaspoon. I don't know what else could have caused the gastrointestinal problems since nothing else changed. I did notice my head/brain felt "full" and not really right on Monday after lunch. I don't have any depression or anything actually wrong with me except I don't sleep well. I am almost 70 so I am in the age group that would have sleep problems. I think the big doses of glucose just get to the gut bacteria too fast and cause the gastrointestinal upset. A smaller amount should be absorbed and not leave so much for the bacteria.

#22 · June 12, 2024, 11:50 am

Quote from Eio on June 12, 2024, 11:50 am

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 8:00 am

I'm honestly pretty skeptical too despite my posts here. It may only be helpful for those who are very clearly undereating fuel sources such as starch, kinda like anorexia but without the focus on trying to lose weight. Adrenaline causes someone to just not eat well. I've been through that so many times. I am eating well now though so I may not experience the benefits he claims. I've never really gone through a period of overfeeding though. I would do it for a time then stop, it would cause symptoms if I went too hard on calories. Typical of anorexia recovery but I'm not anorexic. Maybe orthorexic. Whenever I ease up on my usual diet that I think is healthy my brain says to stop by causing all kinds of random symptoms that make me think there's something wrong. I know it's happening, but I usually don't push through. I think this is very common with people with trauma. They just never get to full recovery. Gaining weight is a major reason to not push through as well. I'm not super subscribed to the idea we have to push through 100 lbs of weight gain, but if you do restrict restrict restrict sometimes the only thing that heals the brain is to not care how much weight you gain. Unfortunately. I was thinking maybe dextrose could replace all the potato chips and ice cream, but consuming enough fats is a part of recovery as well. I wish the brain wasn't so complicated! But alas we do have a very large brain and life isn't always about whether you consumed enough zinc or fill in the blank of whatever other nutrient we obsess about.

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

To address the idea that glucose can burn us out just like sugar... I'm just not so sure. I have experienced near total bedbound burnout and never experienced that from eating refined starch. Maybe dextrose reacts different I will find out! Carbs do tend to make us anabolic, which is the state we heal in. If you are stuck in catabolism you just slowly die because you are not healing tissues the brain being a majorly important tissue. More and more issues will pop up as you age. And then dementia or something else will send you to eternity. We all die of something but damn I don't want to live in a state of being demented for 10 yrs of my life. Also, healing isn't always fun, it can cause symptoms. We don't like to feel any bad symptom so then we say it didn't work it made me feel worse!! well... have you ever healed from injury? was it painful? I bet you it was. I got bit in the face by a dog, the swelling was insane. Healing causes swelling. Most people freak out when their body swells though. That happens to people who restrict then start eating normally again, they swell up. They might freak out and say what the hell I gained 10 lbs overnight! This isn't working! yeah it is. Swelling heals. Happens to every single anorexic. They balloon up rapidly when they start eating lots of calories particularly carbs and fats. If they freak out, they will just go back to restriction and die an early death at the age of 45. I think those who feel okay on ketosis are just giving their brains at least some fuel whereas trying to get by on whatever glucose makes it to the brain after repeated trauma could cause all manner of disease. Overfeeding seems to be the only other answer besides ketosis.

I really like this comment you wrote:

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

As someone with gut issues, I fit that orthorexic category. I just say I am a picky eater. I was one as a kid and grew out of it but now I am back to being picky. Unfortunately I read about diets that will fix my digestive issues and try them only to find out they don't work. I like the low vitamin A diet because it fits my pickiness and includes all food groups.

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 8:00 am

I'm honestly pretty skeptical too despite my posts here. It may only be helpful for those who are very clearly undereating fuel sources such as starch, kinda like anorexia but without the focus on trying to lose weight. Adrenaline causes someone to just not eat well. I've been through that so many times. I am eating well now though so I may not experience the benefits he claims. I've never really gone through a period of overfeeding though. I would do it for a time then stop, it would cause symptoms if I went too hard on calories. Typical of anorexia recovery but I'm not anorexic. Maybe orthorexic. Whenever I ease up on my usual diet that I think is healthy my brain says to stop by causing all kinds of random symptoms that make me think there's something wrong. I know it's happening, but I usually don't push through. I think this is very common with people with trauma. They just never get to full recovery. Gaining weight is a major reason to not push through as well. I'm not super subscribed to the idea we have to push through 100 lbs of weight gain, but if you do restrict restrict restrict sometimes the only thing that heals the brain is to not care how much weight you gain. Unfortunately. I was thinking maybe dextrose could replace all the potato chips and ice cream, but consuming enough fats is a part of recovery as well. I wish the brain wasn't so complicated! But alas we do have a very large brain and life isn't always about whether you consumed enough zinc or fill in the blank of whatever other nutrient we obsess about.

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

To address the idea that glucose can burn us out just like sugar... I'm just not so sure. I have experienced near total bedbound burnout and never experienced that from eating refined starch. Maybe dextrose reacts different I will find out! Carbs do tend to make us anabolic, which is the state we heal in. If you are stuck in catabolism you just slowly die because you are not healing tissues the brain being a majorly important tissue. More and more issues will pop up as you age. And then dementia or something else will send you to eternity. We all die of something but damn I don't want to live in a state of being demented for 10 yrs of my life. Also, healing isn't always fun, it can cause symptoms. We don't like to feel any bad symptom so then we say it didn't work it made me feel worse!! well... have you ever healed from injury? was it painful? I bet you it was. I got bit in the face by a dog, the swelling was insane. Healing causes swelling. Most people freak out when their body swells though. That happens to people who restrict then start eating normally again, they swell up. They might freak out and say what the hell I gained 10 lbs overnight! This isn't working! yeah it is. Swelling heals. Happens to every single anorexic. They balloon up rapidly when they start eating lots of calories particularly carbs and fats. If they freak out, they will just go back to restriction and die an early death at the age of 45. I think those who feel okay on ketosis are just giving their brains at least some fuel whereas trying to get by on whatever glucose makes it to the brain after repeated trauma could cause all manner of disease. Overfeeding seems to be the only other answer besides ketosis.

I really like this comment you wrote:

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

As someone with gut issues, I fit that orthorexic category. I just say I am a picky eater. I was one as a kid and grew out of it but now I am back to being picky. Unfortunately I read about diets that will fix my digestive issues and try them only to find out they don't work. I like the low vitamin A diet because it fits my pickiness and includes all food groups.

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#23 · June 12, 2024, 12:49 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 12:49 pm

Quote from Jessica2 on June 12, 2024, 11:30 am

Good food for thought, I think many here tend to be orthorexic, myself included.

While some tend to undereat with adrenaline, some overeat! I definitely fall in the latter category because I've used food for soothing purposes. To me its a struggle to NOT go to food when tired, in a bad mood, sad or depressed. I try to find other outlets for negative emotions and to not eat chocolate, a steak, one million pistachios, etc.

The point about swelling is a good one, but, as every medic and doctor knows, swelling can get out of hand and cause secondary issues. This is why ice is applied to injuries. This is also the logic when the body has a fever, it's the body trying to heal, but a temperature too high for too long will cause brain damage and or seizures. Pediatric febrile seizures are common and are scary! This is why Tylenol is administered when temps get too high.

Being overweight for too long has its own set of problems. It taxes the heart and lungs and all organs. Its just not healthy.

As someone who has diabetes on both sides of my family and who takes care of people with dementia, it is a scary thing. It isnt a coincidence that the one who is worse off had diabetes and blood sugar issues for years, takes insulin, and is in a poor mental state. He was kind of an orthorexic eater his whole life too. Very picky.

I'm not so sure stuffing oneself with glucose when you tend to be an overeater eat to soothe type would be a good idea.

Yeah that's why I said this may only be relevant to the undereating high adrenaline type. I was that type. My husband on the otherhand is the overeating high cortisol type. He appears to be doing well on carnivore he is losing over 2 lbs per week a bit too fast sometimes but I am concerned when he wants to go off as he does love food and it will be very very hard to stay on the rest of his life.

Yes swelling can get severe, and some anorexics can go into some awful states depending how long and how severe they restricted but most people who weren't like deathly skinny just get super bloated and maybe some overall mild swelling. Yeah picky eaters are the high adrenaline types that need to be careful with restriction.

Quote from Jessica2 on June 12, 2024, 11:30 am

Good food for thought, I think many here tend to be orthorexic, myself included.

While some tend to undereat with adrenaline, some overeat! I definitely fall in the latter category because I've used food for soothing purposes. To me its a struggle to NOT go to food when tired, in a bad mood, sad or depressed. I try to find other outlets for negative emotions and to not eat chocolate, a steak, one million pistachios, etc.

The point about swelling is a good one, but, as every medic and doctor knows, swelling can get out of hand and cause secondary issues. This is why ice is applied to injuries. This is also the logic when the body has a fever, it's the body trying to heal, but a temperature too high for too long will cause brain damage and or seizures. Pediatric febrile seizures are common and are scary! This is why Tylenol is administered when temps get too high.

Being overweight for too long has its own set of problems. It taxes the heart and lungs and all organs. Its just not healthy.

As someone who has diabetes on both sides of my family and who takes care of people with dementia, it is a scary thing. It isnt a coincidence that the one who is worse off had diabetes and blood sugar issues for years, takes insulin, and is in a poor mental state. He was kind of an orthorexic eater his whole life too. Very picky.

I'm not so sure stuffing oneself with glucose when you tend to be an overeater eat to soothe type would be a good idea.

Yeah that's why I said this may only be relevant to the undereating high adrenaline type. I was that type. My husband on the otherhand is the overeating high cortisol type. He appears to be doing well on carnivore he is losing over 2 lbs per week a bit too fast sometimes but I am concerned when he wants to go off as he does love food and it will be very very hard to stay on the rest of his life.

Yes swelling can get severe, and some anorexics can go into some awful states depending how long and how severe they restricted but most people who weren't like deathly skinny just get super bloated and maybe some overall mild swelling. Yeah picky eaters are the high adrenaline types that need to be careful with restriction.

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#24 · June 12, 2024, 12:56 pm

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 12:56 pm

Quote from Eio on June 12, 2024, 11:50 am

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 8:00 am

I'm honestly pretty skeptical too despite my posts here. It may only be helpful for those who are very clearly undereating fuel sources such as starch, kinda like anorexia but without the focus on trying to lose weight. Adrenaline causes someone to just not eat well. I've been through that so many times. I am eating well now though so I may not experience the benefits he claims. I've never really gone through a period of overfeeding though. I would do it for a time then stop, it would cause symptoms if I went too hard on calories. Typical of anorexia recovery but I'm not anorexic. Maybe orthorexic. Whenever I ease up on my usual diet that I think is healthy my brain says to stop by causing all kinds of random symptoms that make me think there's something wrong. I know it's happening, but I usually don't push through. I think this is very common with people with trauma. They just never get to full recovery. Gaining weight is a major reason to not push through as well. I'm not super subscribed to the idea we have to push through 100 lbs of weight gain, but if you do restrict restrict restrict sometimes the only thing that heals the brain is to not care how much weight you gain. Unfortunately. I was thinking maybe dextrose could replace all the potato chips and ice cream, but consuming enough fats is a part of recovery as well. I wish the brain wasn't so complicated! But alas we do have a very large brain and life isn't always about whether you consumed enough zinc or fill in the blank of whatever other nutrient we obsess about.

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

To address the idea that glucose can burn us out just like sugar... I'm just not so sure. I have experienced near total bedbound burnout and never experienced that from eating refined starch. Maybe dextrose reacts different I will find out! Carbs do tend to make us anabolic, which is the state we heal in. If you are stuck in catabolism you just slowly die because you are not healing tissues the brain being a majorly important tissue. More and more issues will pop up as you age. And then dementia or something else will send you to eternity. We all die of something but damn I don't want to live in a state of being demented for 10 yrs of my life. Also, healing isn't always fun, it can cause symptoms. We don't like to feel any bad symptom so then we say it didn't work it made me feel worse!! well... have you ever healed from injury? was it painful? I bet you it was. I got bit in the face by a dog, the swelling was insane. Healing causes swelling. Most people freak out when their body swells though. That happens to people who restrict then start eating normally again, they swell up. They might freak out and say what the hell I gained 10 lbs overnight! This isn't working! yeah it is. Swelling heals. Happens to every single anorexic. They balloon up rapidly when they start eating lots of calories particularly carbs and fats. If they freak out, they will just go back to restriction and die an early death at the age of 45. I think those who feel okay on ketosis are just giving their brains at least some fuel whereas trying to get by on whatever glucose makes it to the brain after repeated trauma could cause all manner of disease. Overfeeding seems to be the only other answer besides ketosis.

I really like this comment you wrote:

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

As someone with gut issues, I fit that orthorexic category. I just say I am a picky eater. I was one as a kid and grew out of it but now I am back to being picky. Unfortunately I read about diets that will fix my digestive issues and try them only to find out they don't work. I like the low vitamin A diet because it fits my pickiness and includes all food groups.

Undereaters probably are the ones who don't get the results they are looking for with a lot of diets because it probably isn't a diet they need but unrestricted refueling. And it will cause bloating and digestive problems so then they never try it! Haha I'm definitely one of those people!

I got gas and nightmares from my first dose of dextrose and this is me who can drink soda without any problem! He does warn that you may experience bloating and acid reflux at first and need to go slower. I didn't go slower I just pushed through! My anxiety ramped up last night because of it.

Quote from Eio on June 12, 2024, 11:50 am

Quote from Janelle525 on June 12, 2024, 8:00 am

I'm honestly pretty skeptical too despite my posts here. It may only be helpful for those who are very clearly undereating fuel sources such as starch, kinda like anorexia but without the focus on trying to lose weight. Adrenaline causes someone to just not eat well. I've been through that so many times. I am eating well now though so I may not experience the benefits he claims. I've never really gone through a period of overfeeding though. I would do it for a time then stop, it would cause symptoms if I went too hard on calories. Typical of anorexia recovery but I'm not anorexic. Maybe orthorexic. Whenever I ease up on my usual diet that I think is healthy my brain says to stop by causing all kinds of random symptoms that make me think there's something wrong. I know it's happening, but I usually don't push through. I think this is very common with people with trauma. They just never get to full recovery. Gaining weight is a major reason to not push through as well. I'm not super subscribed to the idea we have to push through 100 lbs of weight gain, but if you do restrict restrict restrict sometimes the only thing that heals the brain is to not care how much weight you gain. Unfortunately. I was thinking maybe dextrose could replace all the potato chips and ice cream, but consuming enough fats is a part of recovery as well. I wish the brain wasn't so complicated! But alas we do have a very large brain and life isn't always about whether you consumed enough zinc or fill in the blank of whatever other nutrient we obsess about.

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

To address the idea that glucose can burn us out just like sugar... I'm just not so sure. I have experienced near total bedbound burnout and never experienced that from eating refined starch. Maybe dextrose reacts different I will find out! Carbs do tend to make us anabolic, which is the state we heal in. If you are stuck in catabolism you just slowly die because you are not healing tissues the brain being a majorly important tissue. More and more issues will pop up as you age. And then dementia or something else will send you to eternity. We all die of something but damn I don't want to live in a state of being demented for 10 yrs of my life. Also, healing isn't always fun, it can cause symptoms. We don't like to feel any bad symptom so then we say it didn't work it made me feel worse!! well... have you ever healed from injury? was it painful? I bet you it was. I got bit in the face by a dog, the swelling was insane. Healing causes swelling. Most people freak out when their body swells though. That happens to people who restrict then start eating normally again, they swell up. They might freak out and say what the hell I gained 10 lbs overnight! This isn't working! yeah it is. Swelling heals. Happens to every single anorexic. They balloon up rapidly when they start eating lots of calories particularly carbs and fats. If they freak out, they will just go back to restriction and die an early death at the age of 45. I think those who feel okay on ketosis are just giving their brains at least some fuel whereas trying to get by on whatever glucose makes it to the brain after repeated trauma could cause all manner of disease. Overfeeding seems to be the only other answer besides ketosis.

I really like this comment you wrote:

I mean do we really want to get to the end of life and God asks us what we did with the time and blessings he gave us and we say well I got enough folate everyday finally at the age of 40? I think a lot of us are orthorexic unfortunately.

As someone with gut issues, I fit that orthorexic category. I just say I am a picky eater. I was one as a kid and grew out of it but now I am back to being picky. Unfortunately I read about diets that will fix my digestive issues and try them only to find out they don't work. I like the low vitamin A diet because it fits my pickiness and includes all food groups.

Undereaters probably are the ones who don't get the results they are looking for with a lot of diets because it probably isn't a diet they need but unrestricted refueling. And it will cause bloating and digestive problems so then they never try it! Haha I'm definitely one of those people!

I got gas and nightmares from my first dose of dextrose and this is me who can drink soda without any problem! He does warn that you may experience bloating and acid reflux at first and need to go slower. I didn't go slower I just pushed through! My anxiety ramped up last night because of it.

#25 · June 12, 2024, 2:12 pm

Maybe I will take the whole tablespoon this evening and get back into it. I just don't want to screw up my gut bacteria. That "fullness" weird feeling in my head after the 2nd dose was odd but it wasn't scary. I slept really well the first night but last night I woke up for awhile in the night like usual. Thanks for bringing this topic up.

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#26 · June 12, 2024, 5:55 pm

Quote from Eio on June 12, 2024, 2:12 pm

Maybe I will take the whole tablespoon this evening and get back into it. I just don't want to screw up my gut bacteria. That "fullness" weird feeling in my head after the 2nd dose was odd but it wasn't scary. I slept really well the first night but last night I woke up for awhile in the night like usual. Thanks for bringing this topic up.

I would go slowly! I think forcing it is backfiring for me, I feel extremely bloated today. I looked up dextrose and gastro troubles and it is very common, but I wonder how long it takes for the gut to get used to it! Why does it come with a list of side effects that table sugar nor HFCS have? I've never felt sick to my stomach from any sugar.

#27 · June 12, 2024, 6:07 pm

LOL found this post on a bodybuilding forum:

"80 grams?!?!? wowww thats so much. I've been using 40 grams post workout. why so much? I dont think I could bear that much sugar. Toooo sweet for my taste.
Well, I started at 80 a lonngg time ago when my freind used cell tech and i couldn't afford it so I made my own. Worked awesome for me. Then people on the forums always say that much carbs are pointless.. so every once in a while I try dropping it down.

Anything under 80 grams feels far inferior to the 80 I use. 80 swells me up, makes me feel great, etc. 50 grams did non of that and left me tired and way less full after a workout.

I get no stomach bloating from dextrose. Only waxy maize starch bloats me like a motha."

#28 · June 14, 2024, 3:08 pm

So I took the dextrose for 5 days. Everyday got worse with my digestion and anxiety. I stopped a couple days ago and my digestion is still not back to normal. I think it re-ignited SIBO or something I haven't felt this bad in a long time. And I was drinking a little dextrose everyday in an electrolyte drink for a few months before this. So I know it was just too much too fast. Hoping I get back to normal! Crazy because I can eat a huge bowl of pasta without any bloating. Yet pure glucose feels like poison to my system.

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#29 · June 15, 2024, 1:17 am

@janelle525 how much were you taking for those 5 days?

#30 · June 15, 2024, 4:41 am

@Janelle525 Have you a intolerance to corn ? (Most dextrose powder are made from corn) What is your vitamin C and thiamine intake ?( Glucose is a antagonist to boths vit.C and thiamine) Maybe the glucose also speed up your detox system too fast du to the increase in NAD + concentration . Glucose tablet have generaly a better effect and tolerance because the spike of insulin is more gradual. You can also have a latent toxoplasmosis that the glucose fuel more.

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