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Accutane Side effects - Spud Diet?
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ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
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Quote from ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
I'm not an expert on this, but I read that if on a low vitamin a diet after a while the body's stored vitamin a (from liver/ tissues) will be released into the bloodstream, could it be that after the 4 months this is what was happening? The stored accutane/ vit a being released into the bloodstream and having a negative effect?
Alex.
Quote from ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
I'm not an expert on this, but I read that if on a low vitamin a diet after a while the body's stored vitamin a (from liver/ tissues) will be released into the bloodstream, could it be that after the 4 months this is what was happening? The stored accutane/ vit a being released into the bloodstream and having a negative effect?
Alex.
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ggenereux on January 4, 2019, 2:19 pm
Hi Alex,
I don't know what the mechanism is. But, please be aware that potatoes are also quite high in formaldehyde. So, eventually, potatoes will contribute to depleting alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes. That’s one of the enzymes is used to neutralize retinoic acid too.
Yes, there is some rebound type of effect going on too. It appears that the liver is releasing more of its stored retinal back in to circulation when people are in the first phase of this diet.
Best regards,
Grant
Hi Alex,
I don't know what the mechanism is. But, please be aware that potatoes are also quite high in formaldehyde. So, eventually, potatoes will contribute to depleting alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes. That’s one of the enzymes is used to neutralize retinoic acid too.
Yes, there is some rebound type of effect going on too. It appears that the liver is releasing more of its stored retinal back in to circulation when people are in the first phase of this diet.
Best regards,
Grant
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Liz on January 4, 2019, 10:27 pm
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I used accutane twice in my late teens/early twenties. I did not notice any side effects of it then. Does that still mean i may have permanently damaged my protein building function?
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I used accutane twice in my late teens/early twenties. I did not notice any side effects of it then. Does that still mean i may have permanently damaged my protein building function?
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Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 4, 2019, 4:31 am
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 4, 2019, 4:31 am
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Quote from Guest on January 5, 2019, 1:28 am
Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 4, 2019, 4:31 am
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Solanine is formed only if potatoes were exposed to sunlight which is noticeable by it's green coloration. And even if there is small amount it's usually just beneath the skin of the potato.
Don't sure about frying being unhealthy. I don't believe everything that science says. Fried potatoes are the most appetizing and I trust my senses. Raw meat is not appetizing at all so I don't think I should be eating it.
Quote from Guest on January 5, 2019, 1:28 am
Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 4, 2019, 4:31 am
Quote from
ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Solanine is formed only if potatoes were exposed to sunlight which is noticeable by it's green coloration. And even if there is small amount it's usually just beneath the skin of the potato.
Don't sure about frying being unhealthy. I don't believe everything that science says. Fried potatoes are the most appetizing and I trust my senses. Raw meat is not appetizing at all so I don't think I should be eating it.
Quote from Guest on January 5, 2019, 6:27 am
Watch out guys, we have a raw meat eater. Probably watches Frank Tufano....
Watch out guys, we have a raw meat eater. Probably watches Frank Tufano....
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ggenereux on January 5, 2019, 9:41 am
Hi Liz,
RE: I used accutane twice in my late teens/early twenties. I did not notice any side effects of it then. Does that still mean I may have permanently damaged my protein building function?
No, not necessarily so. There are a lot of variables.
A good reference site is: https://www.acne.org/accutane.html
See:
https://static.acne.org/ipb_uploads/monthly_2018_08/03-isotretinoin-has-serious-side-effects.jpg.019cce70addbe13c524fd54d2bcd67d3.jpg
And:
https://static.acne.org/ipb_uploads/monthly_2018_08/04-side-effects-of-accutane-isotretinoin.jpg.21ba5567cceda7b349fc87951b2b0f30.jpg
Note the warning:
Isotretinoin affects the entire body and can change not only the skin, but the entire body for the rest of a person’s life. This is why it is only approved for severe nodulocystic acne.
Of course, that has not at all deterred many doctors from prescribing it for mild acne too. Nor, does the now reported 1,700+ suicides attributed to Accutane use, and the 7,000+ cases of IBD.
But, I don’t think the damage is entirely permanent. Once retinoic acid has bound itself to the RNA/DNA, and depending on how severely the genes are damaged by it, the cells will be then be subsequently producing defective proteins and enzymes. That effect could last as long as those cells remain alive. So, maybe about for 7 – 10 years.
Hi Liz,
RE: I used accutane twice in my late teens/early twenties. I did not notice any side effects of it then. Does that still mean I may have permanently damaged my protein building function?
No, not necessarily so. There are a lot of variables.
A good reference site is: https://www.acne.org/accutane.html
See:
https://static.acne.org/ipb_uploads/monthly_2018_08/03-isotretinoin-has-serious-side-effects.jpg.019cce70addbe13c524fd54d2bcd67d3.jpg
And:
https://static.acne.org/ipb_uploads/monthly_2018_08/04-side-effects-of-accutane-isotretinoin.jpg.21ba5567cceda7b349fc87951b2b0f30.jpg
Note the warning:
Isotretinoin affects the entire body and can change not only the skin, but the entire body for the rest of a person’s life. This is why it is only approved for severe nodulocystic acne.
Of course, that has not at all deterred many doctors from prescribing it for mild acne too. Nor, does the now reported 1,700+ suicides attributed to Accutane use, and the 7,000+ cases of IBD.
But, I don’t think the damage is entirely permanent. Once retinoic acid has bound itself to the RNA/DNA, and depending on how severely the genes are damaged by it, the cells will be then be subsequently producing defective proteins and enzymes. That effect could last as long as those cells remain alive. So, maybe about for 7 – 10 years.
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Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 5, 2019, 2:25 am
Quote from Guest on January 5, 2019, 1:28 am
Quote from DareToBeNaive on January 4, 2019, 4:31 am
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ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Solanine is formed only if potatoes were exposed to sunlight which is noticeable by it's green coloration. And even if there is small amount it's usually just beneath the skin of the potato.
Don't sure about frying being unhealthy. I don't believe everything that science says. Fried potatoes are the most appetizing and I trust my senses. Raw meat is not appetizing at all so I don't think I should be eating it.
Wrong, solanine is in all potatoes. And if it gets green there is a ton of it. Most of it is in the skin, just like how most of the carotenoids in fruits are on the skin. If taste is all you care about maybe you should start eating icecream again, surely it must be good for you. And raw meat can be very appetizing, there are raw meat dishes in all cultures. Wait a minute, if cooked meat is appetizing, yet it makes you feel bad, doesn't that disprove your whole theory? Lmao. And no I don't watch Tufano.
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ggenereux on January 3, 2019, 8:35 am
There was another person (also an Accutane victim) attempting to use a mostly potatoes diet. In the short-term, it appeared to be working for him. But, in the long run (~4 months) it gave him very negative results. I really believe a good source of meat protein is essential.
There are two aspects to healing. Phase I is elimination of the toxic substances as best you can. Then, phase II is rebuilding damaged tissues and organ structures. That is going to take both a long time (think years), and the necessary amino acids ( protein building blocks).
You need to understand that this not just a simple poisoning. That is why it's routinely reported that Accutane can permanently damage the body. The reason is that with vit. A, and RA binds to RNA/DNA. With that your cells are now generating defective proteins and enzymes. The defective proteins are still used as best the body can to maintain and repair itself. So, you need to give your body the basic nutrients to repair itself correctly. I really don’t think potatoes alone are going to be adequate.
I think that eating lots of potatoes causes issues because potatoes are loaded with nutrients and that creates burden for our body. Best option imo is to process them heavily as in French fries. I first cut and boil them for 15-20 minutes and then fry. And even with French fries if I eat more than a cup or so I have noticed heaviness from nutrition overload which can be felt after eating a lot of meat.
Nonsense. The reason why potatoes cause problems is because of the antinutrients, the solanine. And frying food is just about the single most unhealthy way to prepare food, it forms a ton of carcinogenic acrylamides. Frying barely affects the micronutrient content anyways so I don't see how it even would make sense in your theory.
I bet you you wont feel heavy if you eat your meat raw, especially not white meat.
Solanine is formed only if potatoes were exposed to sunlight which is noticeable by it's green coloration. And even if there is small amount it's usually just beneath the skin of the potato.
Don't sure about frying being unhealthy. I don't believe everything that science says. Fried potatoes are the most appetizing and I trust my senses. Raw meat is not appetizing at all so I don't think I should be eating it.
Wrong, solanine is in all potatoes. And if it gets green there is a ton of it. Most of it is in the skin, just like how most of the carotenoids in fruits are on the skin. If taste is all you care about maybe you should start eating icecream again, surely it must be good for you. And raw meat can be very appetizing, there are raw meat dishes in all cultures. Wait a minute, if cooked meat is appetizing, yet it makes you feel bad, doesn't that disprove your whole theory? Lmao. And no I don't watch Tufano.
Quote from Guest on January 5, 2019, 7:18 pm
Please not the raw meat eater cult again and carcinogen please. People been eating cooked food for millenniums according to you everyone should have cancer. Raw food gurus are some of the most bizzare personalities complete wackos. Good luck eating raw ground beef I am sure that's very sanitary and practical because hey you are still alive.
If you have a reaction to a food simply drop it. White rice and white potatoes are generally tolerable by most people regardless of ethnicities. I find ridiculous this obsession over finding anti nutrients that by the way have different functions in your body so the villain status is very questionable.
Anyway, I hope that's not the direction this forum is going aka elimination of every suspect nutrient. I am sure there is a raw primal forum that caters to you.
Please not the raw meat eater cult again and carcinogen please. People been eating cooked food for millenniums according to you everyone should have cancer. Raw food gurus are some of the most bizzare personalities complete wackos. Good luck eating raw ground beef I am sure that's very sanitary and practical because hey you are still alive.
If you have a reaction to a food simply drop it. White rice and white potatoes are generally tolerable by most people regardless of ethnicities. I find ridiculous this obsession over finding anti nutrients that by the way have different functions in your body so the villain status is very questionable.
Anyway, I hope that's not the direction this forum is going aka elimination of every suspect nutrient. I am sure there is a raw primal forum that caters to you.
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