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Activated charcoal comparison with cholestyramine
If you knew what you were talking about you would realize that it makes little difference what one eats the day before and that the key is to avoid eating much at all on the day of the flush.
Half a cup of olive oil doesn't make people feel sick, it's just the salts? No. Regardless you misinterpreted what I wrote, I was referring to the liver flush in general, I wasn't saying it is just because of the olive oil.
What are you talking about I should try it lol, where do you think I got the stone from that I got tested?
Quote from Jiří on August 26, 2020, 6:34 am@tim-2 not eating and all that protocol is not from my head. It is Andreas Moritz idea and it makes sense..
It's unnecessary. Moritz also thought that the stones were real and I think he had poor dietary advice as well...
Quote from Rachel on August 25, 2020, 4:54 am@puddleduck "4+ grams is a lot of capsules" If you are thinking about taking a greater quantity then buying loose powder might be the way to go. I think 1 tsp is roughly equivatent to 4-5 capsules. I expect it would work out cheaper too.
I've been taking some last thing at night when I get symptom flares and find that helpful.
Thank you @rachel ! 🙂I will get the powder and give it a go.
I took quite a few capsules (but not the full 4 grams) the past couple of days to see if I can handle it. So far, no bowel obstruction:
[...] the complications from its administration, such as charcoal aspiration with pneumonitis12 and constipation and bowel obstruction,13 preclude widespread use.
(2019) source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6996653/
Gastrointestinal obstruction is a rare complication of multiple-dose administration of activated charcoal. Previous reports deal only with obstruction after ingestion of drugs that impair gastrointestinal motility. This patient developed a small-bowel obstruction associated with the administration of multiple doses of activated charcoal (350 g, total) for treatment of theophylline toxicity. This patient also had low-grade, previously asymptomatic adhesions at the ileocecal valve. A 4.5 x 5 x 3-cm aggregate of charcoal was surgically removed from the distal ileum.
The development of a gastrointestinal obstruction associated with multiple doses of activated charcoal is described. A carbamazepine-intoxicated patient received 240 g of activated charcoal and a total of 600 mL magnesium citrate with the development of an ileus and a small-bowel obstruction. The patient also had episodes of emesis associated with charcoal administration. This case suggests that the use of multiple doses of activated charcoal may be associated with gastrointestinal obstruction, a previously unreported adverse effect. Further evaluation of the incidence of adverse effects associated with activated charcoal is needed to determine optimal therapeutic regimens.
(1986) source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3805698/
We reviewed 6,258 medical records, identifying 878 patients who received multiple-dose activated charcoal. We judged 5 (0.6%; 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.1% to 1.1%) patients to have had clinically significant pulmonary aspiration and none (0%; upper 95% CI 0.3%) to have had gastrointestinal obstruction. None of the patients with pulmonary aspiration died or had residual sequelae recorded. Hypernatremia (peak serum sodium >145 mEq/L [145 mmol/L]) was documented in 53 (6.0%; 95% CI 4.4% to 7.6%) patients, of whom 5 (0.6%; 95% CI 0.1% to 1.1%) had a serum sodium concentration of greater than 155 mEq/L (155 mmol/L). Hypermagnesemia (peak serum magnesium >2.5 mg/dL [1.0 mmol/L]) was documented in 27 (3.1%; 95% CI 2.0% to 4.2%) patients, of whom 3 (0.3%; 95% CI 0.1% to 1.0%) had peak values that were greater than 3.75 mg/dL (1.5 mmol/L). One patient had a corneal abrasion (0.1%; 95% CI 0% to 0.6%). No other complications were identified.
Conclusion: Clinically significant complications associated with the use of multiple-dose activated charcoal occur infrequently.
(2003) source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12605204/
@tim-2 Do you have any references on activated charcoal causing absorption issues with vitamins and minerals? I haven’t found much about it so far, but will try to spend more time looking later.
This is gross, but I took a few magnesium oxide tablets with the activated charcoal, and it still had the intended effect.
I don't and I'm not saying it's a problem. I haven't done much research on that, it's just a thought that occurred to me.
Haha well magnesium is pretty good at that!
Thanks for the answer, @tim-2 ! 👍 I am going to try taking the charcoal along with my high dose thiamine therapy tomorrow and see if it lowers my response to it at all.
So far, I haven’t seen any studies showing activated charcoal decreases nutrient absorption, although I did find several doctors saying it does.
But this site—http://charcoaltimes.com/2016/11/27/adsorb-nutrients/—had some good information:
[...] charcoal has been used for many years as a fecal deodorant for patients with ileostomies and colostomies. In spite of the fact that they may routinely take charcoal orally three times daily for years, it has never been demonstrated to nutritionally effect these individuals who are already at risk of nutritional deficiency. (Patient Care p. 152, October 30, 1977)
In one animal study, Dr. V. V. Frolkis, a famous Russian gerontologist, and his colleagues, demonstrated that the lifespan in older laboratory rats increased up to 34% by feeding them charcoal in their diet! (Experimental Gerontology 1984) Toxins, including free radicals, are believed to play a significant role in aging. But these “loose canons” will form a stable matrix with charcoal in the gut until they are eliminated from the body. Researchers concluded that the binding up of these toxins in the intestinal tract before they are absorbed or reabsorbed into the system may be one mechanism that allowed the rats to live longer and healthier.
In the book CharcoalRemedies.com, there is an interesting study done years ago by Russian scientists with activated charcoal and old lab rats that shows that the activated charcoal taken orally by these rats increased their life span by 34% longer than the rats that did not receive it, although their lives had been identical all their life and remained identical except for the supplementation of the activated charcoal powder. It doesn’t sound like they were being nutritionally compromised.
Good info. I didn't realize there was so much attention on it. I don't understand how it doesn't effect nutrient levels but is very effective at binding toxins. I'll check out those links when I've got time.
I take here and there activated charcoal. Especially when I have diarrhea. Where I know my body is trying to eliminate something. So I take like 1tsp of activated charcoal with a lots of water. I think it is better without capsules. So it can grab some toxins also in the mouth and on the way to the stomach/colon...
On the subject of liver flushes, I did a few, much spaced i time, before low A diet. Never seen any stone. Not sure if that did me good, (maybe because I was eating high A foods all along), but not worse for sure. Never experienced any pain with it.
Activated charcoal lately (some months ago) was giving me some stomach pain, probably due to too much high dose. But I believe it's helpful indeed.