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Quote from Guest on November 29, 2018, 1:00 pmI'm not talking about digestive problems, I'm talking about the same effects I get from eating liver or taking a vitamin a supplement, although weaker of course. Blurred vision, joint pain, brain fog.
If you didn't feel any different from stopping the red kidney beans it sounds to me like you're pretty much cured, that you're not hypersensitive anymore, those have a ton of carotenoids. What makes you think black beans have no carotenoids anyways? I've tried to find studies analyzing the carotenoid content of the black bean but I've yet to find a single one.
My chronic fatigue, brain fog, ADHD, joint pain all resolved (almost suddenly and simultaneously) by about the one month time into my diet. Theses conditions have never returned.
However, my skin, kidneys, and vision took much longer to recover. And my skin is still affected today where I had used the steroid creams on it. Basically, the skin on the backs of my hands is still thinner and easily damaged. So, it is possible that I would have recovered in these other tissues faster and more fully if I had not added the red kidney beans to my diet.
BTW, Thanks so much for the conversation here. I think it is important to share as much as we can. We are still in the discovery phase of this investigation and the more people we have discussing and sharing their experiences the better it is for everyone.
Thanks Guest and DS for the information on beans and potatoes. Bella
Quote from ggenereux on November 29, 2018, 10:39 amDear Guest,
That’s correct. Beans were a later addition to my diet. I added them sometime after the first year. Early into my diet, and when I was still quite sick, I had serious IBS symptoms. Those IBS symptoms resolved by about the 4th month into my diet. So, it is possible that I did not have a problem with beans just because I added them to my diet after my gut was in better health. And, a few other people have reported that they cannot deal with beans, or even rice. Therefore, each person is going to need to tailor this diet to their own specific circumstances.
The primary reason that I added the beans in the first place was mostly because I felt they provided a good source of both fibre and calcium. However, to avoid any carotenoids, I have since stopped eating the red kidney beans. That was back in August of this year. I can’t really say if that change has made a difference or not to me. But, I continue to eat black beans.
What exactly did you eat during the first year? Was it just rice, beef, and coffee?
"My chronic fatigue, brain fog, ADHD, joint pain all resolved (almost suddenly and simultaneously) by about the one month time into my diet. Theses conditions have never returned."
Grant, I've been doing a low vA diet for almost 10 weeks and my fatigue and brain fog are no better. Do you hear different recovery times on those from different people? I'm worried I'll never improve my health. I think I have a very slow metabolism so hopefully it is just taking me longer.
Quote from Guest on December 2, 2018, 6:17 am"My chronic fatigue, brain fog, ADHD, joint pain all resolved (almost suddenly and simultaneously) by about the one month time into my diet. Theses conditions have never returned."
Grant, I've been doing a low vA diet for almost 10 weeks and my fatigue and brain fog are no better. Do you hear different recovery times on those from different people? I'm worried I'll never improve my health. I think I have a very slow metabolism so hopefully it is just taking me longer.
I have the same problems and I don't get any improvements unless I get extremely restrictive. From what I have noticed so far these are the foods that I'm ok with: white rice, white wheat bread (without rye or oil), potatoes (solanine can cause problems but it feels slightly different than VA, also potato VA content can vary a lot so check first), low fat beef (preferably not more than a 100g per day or so), coffee, and salt. And that's about it, if I eat any type of beans or alleged low-VA fruit my symptoms come back quickly. Most of the recommendations people give out in this forum appear to me to be way to liberal, at least if you're severely ill.
RE: Do you hear different recovery times on those from different people?
Yes. A few people have reported that their chronic fatigue has lifted after only about a month or so. Then, there are a few others who have reported that they've seen no results after even 10 weeks. Some people have given up, and I think they've stopped with the diet.
So, it's variable, and is going to depend on each person's individual situation. However, once again, I want to state that I saw virtually no improvement in my health for the first three weeks. Then, almost suddenly over a few days, I experienced the lifting of the chronic fatigue, brain fog, etc. Since this happened in multiple organs at the same time, I am assuming it must have had something to do with blood composition or oxygen levels in it.
Thanks Guest and Grant. I'm definitely not giving up but will try to be more restrictive, though maybe after Christmas.
"I have the same problems and I don't get any improvements unless I get extremely restrictive. From what I have noticed so far these are the foods that I'm ok with: white rice, white wheat bread (without rye or oil), potatoes (solanine can cause problems but it feels slightly different than VA, also potato VA content can vary a lot so check first), low fat beef (preferably not more than a 100g per day or so), coffee, and salt. And that's about it, if I eat any type of beans or alleged low-VA fruit my symptoms come back quickly. Most of the recommendations people give out in this forum appear to me to be way to liberal, at least if you're severely ill."
Guest, did you ever try eating oats? I can't eat wheat because of Celiac disease I suppose it is harder to make plain oats taste as good as plain bread so maybe that is why some don't try oats? I know beans have been discussed and I scoured documents on black beans as those are the ones I usually eat and thought were among the safest. I found a list of different kinds of polyphenols but no mention of carotenoids though don't doubt you have problems with them. Maybe polyphenols are also toxic in the same way carotenoids are?
Quote from Guest on December 2, 2018, 12:16 pm"I have the same problems and I don't get any improvements unless I get extremely restrictive. From what I have noticed so far these are the foods that I'm ok with: white rice, white wheat bread (without rye or oil), potatoes (solanine can cause problems but it feels slightly different than VA, also potato VA content can vary a lot so check first), low fat beef (preferably not more than a 100g per day or so), coffee, and salt. And that's about it, if I eat any type of beans or alleged low-VA fruit my symptoms come back quickly. Most of the recommendations people give out in this forum appear to me to be way to liberal, at least if you're severely ill."
Guest, did you ever try eating oats? I can't eat wheat because of Celiac disease I suppose it is harder to make plain oats taste as good as plain bread so maybe that is why some don't try oats? I know beans have been discussed and I scoured documents on black beans as those are the ones I usually eat and thought were among the safest. I found a list of different kinds of polyphenols but no mention of carotenoids though don't doubt you have problems with them. Maybe polyphenols are also toxic in the same way carotenoids are?
Oats don't agree with my digestive system and I try to avoid PUFAs anyways, they mess up my blood sugar. Maybe try just eating rice and like 200 grams of low fat grainfed beef, for a couple of weeks and see if you see any improvment? Beans mess me up in exactly the same way high retinol foods do, although not as severely. I'd like to see the documents you found on black bean carotenoid content because I didn't find much on it.
Perhaps people who don't do well on beans should be wary, I feel for the original poster here, but my take on beans is a bit different.
Things were going great for me until last thursday/friday when I had some black beans.
I don't think it's because beans is a big cheat though.
This is just a food that is hard on me, (I know this) and my gut wasn't ready for it.
Gosh it surged some old issues and started some new issues I never even had before! LOL