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Jiří on July 3, 2020, 12:44 am
@tim-2 So you think that they test just 6 minerals or something and just hope that it doesn't contain some toxin and nobody get poisoned or even killed if somebody drinks a lot of it? Like most people do when they drink their favorite brand..? I think they need to test full panel to know what is in it. Maybe somewhere in Africa, India, China, Russia etc.. they can sell whatever. But here we have strict regulations.
@tim-2 So you think that they test just 6 minerals or something and just hope that it doesn't contain some toxin and nobody get poisoned or even killed if somebody drinks a lot of it? Like most people do when they drink their favorite brand..? I think they need to test full panel to know what is in it. Maybe somewhere in Africa, India, China, Russia etc.. they can sell whatever. But here we have strict regulations.
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tim on July 3, 2020, 1:06 am
@jiri
They do test for a range of things but they allow those toxins that I listed. With most food regulations they model safety limits based on the range of intake the majority are likely to consume it in. Most people drink mineral water infrequently. Regardless, the same regulatory agencies allow 1 mg/L of sodium fluoride be dumped into water supplies. Do you think that is safe?
@jiri
They do test for a range of things but they allow those toxins that I listed. With most food regulations they model safety limits based on the range of intake the majority are likely to consume it in. Most people drink mineral water infrequently. Regardless, the same regulatory agencies allow 1 mg/L of sodium fluoride be dumped into water supplies. Do you think that is safe?
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Rachel on July 3, 2020, 1:56 am
@jiri If the water is high in calcium it is likely passing through rocks high in calcium carbonate such as limestone. I expect that is the source of the calcium.
@jiri If the water is high in calcium it is likely passing through rocks high in calcium carbonate such as limestone. I expect that is the source of the calcium.
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Jiří on July 3, 2020, 3:15 am
@tim-2 I know that in US they have fluoride in tap water. But here it is not allowed.. Anyway here is everybody drinking flavored mineral water with sugar. Especially at work. + tea in the winter and of course coffee. But not many people drink just water.. Plain water is not ideal for hydration anyways.. Especially if you are sweating and losing electrolytes.. There should be all electrolytes, especially sodium and some carbs as well.. Btw most mineral water have like under 150mg of each mineral for 1L. If you add like 3g of salt to 1.5L and it is sweetened usually 4g per 100ml. So 60g of carbs per 1,5l bottle. It works really good.. Now if you don't sweat and you don't need to rehydrate. You will be ok with some plain water for sure. But I crashed hard when I was crazy active, sweating crazy all day every day and drink just water.. My body was just pumping aldosterone to retain some little sodium I was eating + stress hormones were always high to keep my blood sugar up, because I can't drink sugary water. It is unhealthy right...
@tim-2 I know that in US they have fluoride in tap water. But here it is not allowed.. Anyway here is everybody drinking flavored mineral water with sugar. Especially at work. + tea in the winter and of course coffee. But not many people drink just water.. Plain water is not ideal for hydration anyways.. Especially if you are sweating and losing electrolytes.. There should be all electrolytes, especially sodium and some carbs as well.. Btw most mineral water have like under 150mg of each mineral for 1L. If you add like 3g of salt to 1.5L and it is sweetened usually 4g per 100ml. So 60g of carbs per 1,5l bottle. It works really good.. Now if you don't sweat and you don't need to rehydrate. You will be ok with some plain water for sure. But I crashed hard when I was crazy active, sweating crazy all day every day and drink just water.. My body was just pumping aldosterone to retain some little sodium I was eating + stress hormones were always high to keep my blood sugar up, because I can't drink sugary water. It is unhealthy right...
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tim on July 3, 2020, 3:40 am
You are very lucky to have unfluoridated tap water, so lucky. My options are to drink fluoridated water, to buy spring water in plastic bottles where you can taste the plastic flavour or to buy a reverse osmosis system. I don't like any of those options so I just drink tap water (I sit it in the fridge to let the chlorine evaporate out of it). I also drink weak coffee, beer, almond milk and iced tea, all of which are made with fluoridated water... iced tea is extra high in fluoride since tea leaves contain it as well...
Fortunately changes may be afoot with regard to fluoride policy, I'm not going to get too hopeful too soon though.
Media Blackout: The Federal Court Case To End Water Fluoridation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtRGYS0N3LA
You are very lucky to have unfluoridated tap water, so lucky. My options are to drink fluoridated water, to buy spring water in plastic bottles where you can taste the plastic flavour or to buy a reverse osmosis system. I don't like any of those options so I just drink tap water (I sit it in the fridge to let the chlorine evaporate out of it). I also drink weak coffee, beer, almond milk and iced tea, all of which are made with fluoridated water... iced tea is extra high in fluoride since tea leaves contain it as well...
Fortunately changes may be afoot with regard to fluoride policy, I'm not going to get too hopeful too soon though.
Media Blackout: The Federal Court Case To End Water Fluoridation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtRGYS0N3LA
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Jiří on July 3, 2020, 3:52 am
@tim-2 Yes at least tap water here is ok.. 😀
@tim-2 Yes at least tap water here is ok.. 😀
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tim on July 3, 2020, 3:57 am
@jiri
Yep sweating is quite depleting, I used to have a sauna everyday but then realized that sweating isn't a great form of detox and it causes us to lose a lot of magnesium and potassium. Sauna is terrible for men as well and lowers sperm count.
Yep plain water is fine for hydration apart from if you are an athlete but the electrolyte drinks usually don't have magnesium so...
If I was working a job where I was sweating all day every day I might consider making my own electrolyte drink with magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium chloride, potassium iodide and glucose. In addition to heavy iodine losses in sweat we also lose other trace minerals but it's not really practical to put them in an electrolyte drink.
It's hard to replace sweat so it's best not to sweat excessively if one can avoid it.
@jiri
Yep sweating is quite depleting, I used to have a sauna everyday but then realized that sweating isn't a great form of detox and it causes us to lose a lot of magnesium and potassium. Sauna is terrible for men as well and lowers sperm count.
Yep plain water is fine for hydration apart from if you are an athlete but the electrolyte drinks usually don't have magnesium so...
If I was working a job where I was sweating all day every day I might consider making my own electrolyte drink with magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium chloride, potassium iodide and glucose. In addition to heavy iodine losses in sweat we also lose other trace minerals but it's not really practical to put them in an electrolyte drink.
It's hard to replace sweat so it's best not to sweat excessively if one can avoid it.
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salt on July 3, 2020, 4:59 am
The fluoride in mineral water is calcium fluoride, which is much more stable and much less toxic than the sodium fluoride that they put in the tap water in some places. Some but far from all mineral waters have a lot of calcium fluoride, you can contact your mineral water supplier and ask them how much calcium fluoride is in the water. If you're worried about fluoride, tap water and tea are much worse exposures.
I think sweating is good especially when you're trying to detox as it's a detoxification pathway but it's important to replace the minerals lost. Saunas are way too hot, it causes a stress reaction and increases nitric oxide production, that's why it shows bad results in some studies.
The fluoride in mineral water is calcium fluoride, which is much more stable and much less toxic than the sodium fluoride that they put in the tap water in some places. Some but far from all mineral waters have a lot of calcium fluoride, you can contact your mineral water supplier and ask them how much calcium fluoride is in the water. If you're worried about fluoride, tap water and tea are much worse exposures.
I think sweating is good especially when you're trying to detox as it's a detoxification pathway but it's important to replace the minerals lost. Saunas are way too hot, it causes a stress reaction and increases nitric oxide production, that's why it shows bad results in some studies.
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Jiří on July 3, 2020, 5:11 am
@tim-2 I made at home near infrared sauna and it is really relaxing especially in the winter. But I think it detoxes copper a lot. My symptoms of copper deficiency like more spider veins, more white hair etc. increased a lot after using it every day.. Now I will use it only in winter and only for 15-20 minutes to increase blood flow and to warm up, relax the body/muscles.. But not staying there 60 minutes sweating... I think sweating is important. But for sure not to the point of dehydration. Like I did last 10 days. A lot of biking/hiking in the forest in crazy heat and I ended up with nice heat stroke. Which is basically severe dehydration.. That was overkill for sure, but I enjoy pushing my body. It feels good and I think it yes it depletes the body, but at the same time it helps speed up detox as well. I don't agree that sweat is not a good way to detox. From what I see healthy people can sweat a lot easily. Their sweat is more watery, because their lymph is not thick and sluggish and their skin/pores work as they should. So they can sweat almost everywhere on the body. So their "water/waste turnover" is high. Btw it is the best thing for the skin. You are cleansing the pores from the inside out.. On the other hand most sick people can't sweat at all. I remember that very well. Not fun times when you can't sweat in the heat of the summer..
@salt in my homemade near infrared sauna is around 39-42 celsius(depending on temperature of the room where the sauna is.) and it is enough to not losing body heat which is increasing from the infrared lamps.. Sometimes I go inside with pants and hoodie and it works also good for sweating without that infrared effect..
@tim-2 I made at home near infrared sauna and it is really relaxing especially in the winter. But I think it detoxes copper a lot. My symptoms of copper deficiency like more spider veins, more white hair etc. increased a lot after using it every day.. Now I will use it only in winter and only for 15-20 minutes to increase blood flow and to warm up, relax the body/muscles.. But not staying there 60 minutes sweating... I think sweating is important. But for sure not to the point of dehydration. Like I did last 10 days. A lot of biking/hiking in the forest in crazy heat and I ended up with nice heat stroke. Which is basically severe dehydration.. That was overkill for sure, but I enjoy pushing my body. It feels good and I think it yes it depletes the body, but at the same time it helps speed up detox as well. I don't agree that sweat is not a good way to detox. From what I see healthy people can sweat a lot easily. Their sweat is more watery, because their lymph is not thick and sluggish and their skin/pores work as they should. So they can sweat almost everywhere on the body. So their "water/waste turnover" is high. Btw it is the best thing for the skin. You are cleansing the pores from the inside out.. On the other hand most sick people can't sweat at all. I remember that very well. Not fun times when you can't sweat in the heat of the summer..
@salt in my homemade near infrared sauna is around 39-42 celsius(depending on temperature of the room where the sauna is.) and it is enough to not losing body heat which is increasing from the infrared lamps.. Sometimes I go inside with pants and hoodie and it works also good for sweating without that infrared effect..
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tim on July 3, 2020, 5:51 am
Fluoride found in mineral water and in tea is present as calcium fluoride, this is the form found in nature. Although not as absorbable as sodium fluoride it is still highly absorbable. Skeletal fluorosis which is common in parts of the world is caused by consuming water high in calcium fluoride.
Somebody please find me some evidence showing that sweating helps to excrete significant amounts of pesticides, PCBs, mercury, fluoride, lead, glyphosate etc etc etc. Exercise makes us feel great and improves our health, regardless of whether we sweat or not. Science has clearly and conclusively shown that sweating does not help us detox. Detox happens through bile and urine. Our body has elaborate ways of handling toxins, they don't normally just float around unattached ready to be sweated out.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/04/sweating-toxins-myth-detox-facts-saunas-pollutants-science/
@jiri
Half of the energy in sunlight is infrared, another benefit of sunbathing.
Fluoride found in mineral water and in tea is present as calcium fluoride, this is the form found in nature. Although not as absorbable as sodium fluoride it is still highly absorbable. Skeletal fluorosis which is common in parts of the world is caused by consuming water high in calcium fluoride.
Somebody please find me some evidence showing that sweating helps to excrete significant amounts of pesticides, PCBs, mercury, fluoride, lead, glyphosate etc etc etc. Exercise makes us feel great and improves our health, regardless of whether we sweat or not. Science has clearly and conclusively shown that sweating does not help us detox. Detox happens through bile and urine. Our body has elaborate ways of handling toxins, they don't normally just float around unattached ready to be sweated out.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/04/sweating-toxins-myth-detox-facts-saunas-pollutants-science/
@jiri
Half of the energy in sunlight is infrared, another benefit of sunbathing.
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