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#51 · December 19, 2023, 8:19 am

@jessica2 I take lugol solution drops. I take only like 2 drops a day and in one drop is 1.36mg of combination of iodine and iodide. The fact that most people can take doses like 20-50mg or more and I feel like complete shit taking just 10mg tells me that I am low in iodine and toxic in other halogens and/or full of garbage like mold, viruses etc.. And I can feel it that my lymphatic system is clogged.. Iodine is simply very strong anti microbial. Females that have estrogen dominance, all kinds of cysts etc. they need more iodine for sure.. Yeah weightlifting is good because it builds muscle tissue. Aerobic exercise is just catabolic and increases stress hormones so no good.. For thyroid hormones blood tests you need TSH, free T4, free T3 and ideally reverse T3. I never had problems with free T3 which is the active hormone, but I always had low T4. So that also points at low iodine because the body makes T4 from iodine... Also the reference range for TSH is too big. It is like from 0. something to 4. something.. Every good endo dr. will tell you that ideal number is around 1. TSH 3 or more is hypothyroid for sure..

#52 · December 19, 2023, 8:46 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ZIHCa2qeA

I just started doing this super easy and quick lymph massage. I think it is great, I feel a slight difference in how I feel after doing it. I love that it is so quick and easy. I have never done anything for my lymph, but now as I am determined to lose all my cellulite until spring, I am adding this to my bean protocol and yoga. I am so excited that my cellulite has already improved 30% . This lymph drainage massage will help too I am sure. They say cellulite is clogged up lymphatic system. I was very clogged up, so it must be true.

My hands and feet has gotten warmer and I am sure my thyroid has improved also because my hair is getting so nice. I sometimes paint a little iodine on my breasts or on my belly, but not often anymore. I used to do it too much I think. I took pretty big amount of iodine and it helped me get rid of a lump I had on my breasts but I continued taking iodine after that too and that I think was too much. I have a feeling it hurt my thyroid back then, years ago. One has to know when to stop a supplement and just not continue and overload oneself. I have done so much stupid things...

I noticed reduced vascularity in my eyes after I started doing the lymph massage a couple days ago BTW!

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#53 · December 19, 2023, 9:40 am

Quote from Inger on December 19, 2023, 9:40 am

Quote from Janelle525 on December 18, 2023, 9:53 am

Quote from Jessica2 on December 17, 2023, 6:35 pm

@janelle525 oh for sure toxins are reuptaken, it just isn't clear to me that its the bile acid/salt that is the driving agent for that, rather gut microbiota.

The body works rather hard to maintain a bile acid pool and only 5% at most is eliminated at a time.

Interestingly, bile acids are a toxic agent in and of themselves. They require a phosphatidyl choline protectant layer in bile duct caniculi in the liver and gallbladder and also in the stomach and intestines to prevent damage. Its it when this layer isn't intact that reputake of toxins and bile damage and altered gut microbiota that cleave toxins take place. But the role of bile acids is as a detergent of sorts to break down fats in food and its very necessary in the body.

This is why livers have high choline levels. Its hepatoprotectant. You would have a lot of damage from bile acids without it.

Yes, I agree that altered bile synthesis and reptake can cause health issues, but it isnt really, in my opinion, from toxins attached to bile acids. For one thing, if you dont have enough bile, bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine, otherwise known as SIBO takes place. SIBO causes bacteria to cleave apart water soluble toxins that are outward bound to be reuptaken. In this particular instance its LACK of bile causing issues.

You have helped me remember a bunch of stuff I learned from that guy who focuses on digestion. Let's put this all together. SIBO is definitely the result of not enough good flowing bile, not that we don't have it though, as we would die without bile, but that it's thick and sticky and backed up. This seems to happen to many women after having children. Cholestasis of pregnancy is very well known. Estrogen thickens bile. Choline wasn't the answer for me though. I was eating pasture raised eggs from a health food coop during my 2nd pregnancy when I felt sick for most of the time. I wasn't digesting well at all. Felt like food sat in my stomach like a rock. I was far too alkaline. I needed more acid. Choline can push you a bit more alkaline. But if you lean more acidic (high breath rate) then choline can be that thing that really helps you here is the info about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vki1lEjFVo8

He gives many signs of bile not flowing properly and how to get it going again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdV6ZT9woQ

He recommends a beet greens supplement that really works for people, but the only one on the market is super expensive! So I haven't tried it. He also recommends coffee enemas and I can tell you these work! He says really high estrogen levels can make it hard to improve bile flow. I think this is where the beans were supposed to work for people. Karen says they help reduce estrogen levels and many women have confirmed this works for them. But I think the SIBO can prevent this from working the way it's meant to. Which is me, I have yet to be able to figure out how to eat beans, nuts, whole grains, psyllium, or any prebiotic fiber other than fruit. I didn't want to have to take killing supps. I wonder if you have SIBO YES carnivore is probably going to feel good (unless you have no stomach acid!). But does it kill the bacteria? or solve the problem? Could you add back in the plants and not get bloating and and gas and awful symptoms? Seems that's not the case for most people who undertake the diet. They may a hit a wall eventually and symptoms come back.

So here is his plan for SIBO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpch7PbNFQ0

I may try the mastic gum and d-limonene. Just using betaine HCl didn't solve it though it has made life way better. He does mention the carnivore thing, he says that's an extreme way to deal with SIBO and most of his clients don't have to do that. Fiber and sugar does feed it, but eliminating all carbs is too extreme.

And then you have to figure out if you are stuck in catabolic or anabolic states. We tend towards catabolic during the day to produce energy and anabolic at night to rest and heal. But many times people can get stuck in one or the other and then you can't sleep, or you don't have any energy during the day. Carbs can push people far too anabolic, so that's another reason carnivore can feel good for a while. High fiber foods tend to be high carb foods.

Sure enough he has a video when carnivore is a mistake *hint* when you have low acid and poor bile flow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWzR0kx2qM

This guy just gets it. I have lowish blood pressure and too alkaline I'd for sure pee out more minerals on carnivore and need all kinds of supps just to survive. That being said if I consume too many carbs and not enough protein I want to sleep all day (and wake up every hour at night with low blood sugar and barely breathing) (magnesium works because it's catabolic and people tend towards too anabolic with carbs and need some magnesium to push them a little more catabolic at night but it can backfire and you get insomnia)

I must be too alkaline too because I am a very slow breather... less than 10 times / minute. Sometimes I feel like I barely even need to breath! But it does not feel bad in any way. Is this a problem? I wonder how I can/if I should become more acidic... Does fermented beans help? I take a lot of mineral salt alkaline foot baths they make me feel so good. Wonder if this is why I barely need to breath anymore.

Quote from Janelle525 on December 18, 2023, 9:53 am

Quote from Jessica2 on December 17, 2023, 6:35 pm

@janelle525 oh for sure toxins are reuptaken, it just isn't clear to me that its the bile acid/salt that is the driving agent for that, rather gut microbiota.

The body works rather hard to maintain a bile acid pool and only 5% at most is eliminated at a time.

Interestingly, bile acids are a toxic agent in and of themselves. They require a phosphatidyl choline protectant layer in bile duct caniculi in the liver and gallbladder and also in the stomach and intestines to prevent damage. Its it when this layer isn't intact that reputake of toxins and bile damage and altered gut microbiota that cleave toxins take place. But the role of bile acids is as a detergent of sorts to break down fats in food and its very necessary in the body.

This is why livers have high choline levels. Its hepatoprotectant. You would have a lot of damage from bile acids without it.

Yes, I agree that altered bile synthesis and reptake can cause health issues, but it isnt really, in my opinion, from toxins attached to bile acids. For one thing, if you dont have enough bile, bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine, otherwise known as SIBO takes place. SIBO causes bacteria to cleave apart water soluble toxins that are outward bound to be reuptaken. In this particular instance its LACK of bile causing issues.

You have helped me remember a bunch of stuff I learned from that guy who focuses on digestion. Let's put this all together. SIBO is definitely the result of not enough good flowing bile, not that we don't have it though, as we would die without bile, but that it's thick and sticky and backed up. This seems to happen to many women after having children. Cholestasis of pregnancy is very well known. Estrogen thickens bile. Choline wasn't the answer for me though. I was eating pasture raised eggs from a health food coop during my 2nd pregnancy when I felt sick for most of the time. I wasn't digesting well at all. Felt like food sat in my stomach like a rock. I was far too alkaline. I needed more acid. Choline can push you a bit more alkaline. But if you lean more acidic (high breath rate) then choline can be that thing that really helps you here is the info about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vki1lEjFVo8

He gives many signs of bile not flowing properly and how to get it going again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdV6ZT9woQ

He recommends a beet greens supplement that really works for people, but the only one on the market is super expensive! So I haven't tried it. He also recommends coffee enemas and I can tell you these work! He says really high estrogen levels can make it hard to improve bile flow. I think this is where the beans were supposed to work for people. Karen says they help reduce estrogen levels and many women have confirmed this works for them. But I think the SIBO can prevent this from working the way it's meant to. Which is me, I have yet to be able to figure out how to eat beans, nuts, whole grains, psyllium, or any prebiotic fiber other than fruit. I didn't want to have to take killing supps. I wonder if you have SIBO YES carnivore is probably going to feel good (unless you have no stomach acid!). But does it kill the bacteria? or solve the problem? Could you add back in the plants and not get bloating and and gas and awful symptoms? Seems that's not the case for most people who undertake the diet. They may a hit a wall eventually and symptoms come back.

So here is his plan for SIBO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpch7PbNFQ0

I may try the mastic gum and d-limonene. Just using betaine HCl didn't solve it though it has made life way better. He does mention the carnivore thing, he says that's an extreme way to deal with SIBO and most of his clients don't have to do that. Fiber and sugar does feed it, but eliminating all carbs is too extreme.

And then you have to figure out if you are stuck in catabolic or anabolic states. We tend towards catabolic during the day to produce energy and anabolic at night to rest and heal. But many times people can get stuck in one or the other and then you can't sleep, or you don't have any energy during the day. Carbs can push people far too anabolic, so that's another reason carnivore can feel good for a while. High fiber foods tend to be high carb foods.

Sure enough he has a video when carnivore is a mistake *hint* when you have low acid and poor bile flow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWzR0kx2qM

This guy just gets it. I have lowish blood pressure and too alkaline I'd for sure pee out more minerals on carnivore and need all kinds of supps just to survive. That being said if I consume too many carbs and not enough protein I want to sleep all day (and wake up every hour at night with low blood sugar and barely breathing) (magnesium works because it's catabolic and people tend towards too anabolic with carbs and need some magnesium to push them a little more catabolic at night but it can backfire and you get insomnia)

I must be too alkaline too because I am a very slow breather... less than 10 times / minute. Sometimes I feel like I barely even need to breath! But it does not feel bad in any way. Is this a problem? I wonder how I can/if I should become more acidic... Does fermented beans help? I take a lot of mineral salt alkaline foot baths they make me feel so good. Wonder if this is why I barely need to breath anymore.

#54 · December 19, 2023, 10:09 am

@inger I do lymphatic brushing and like the guys said. I always start around the clavicles/ upper chest. But I never massage lymph nodes around jaw/under ears and that is mistake. Because they are painful on touch. So I will do them as well.. If you are too alkaline I think you need more protein and stomach acid. So more meat and maybe apple cider vinegar before the meals?

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#55 · December 19, 2023, 11:06 am

Quote from John on December 19, 2023, 11:06 am
My lymph nodes started ballooning to the size of large grapes one under each side of my jaw in line with my ear lobes. My guess to the cause is from 3 grams of sodium ascorbate(vitamin C) that I started taking everday and possibly in combination with a high fat mostly beef diet. I also started eating whole coconuts, all that saturated fat might have overwhelmed and clogged my already poor liver. I believe vC is the main suspect as smaller amounts from just 150mg increases my chemical sensitivity and breathing in any amount of car exhaust inflames and burns my lungs which takes weeks to heal, currently going thru this now. I also notice my sensitivity to vC while taking 4oz of squeezed lemon or grapefruit juice for my liver flushes a number of times, so there is something there with vC that is causing this in my body.

For three years those two nodes were swollen, brushing them with my fingers do bring them down, but never subsiding, just fluctuating in size depending a number of things diet, exercise, saunas. After three years of this in early 2022 I noticed a dramatic shrinkage and it has slowly began shrinking. One I can barely feel, the other is around the size of a pea. It has subsided slower than I had imagine, so it might be another year before I can't feel both of them. There are three things I started that I think may be the reason for this - I took a dose of ivermectin in December 2021, I started malic acid about 1.5g with each meal everyday in hopes to break down sludge in my liver, and about a month after that I started taking Lugol's 2% idodine 1 drop a day I believe for about 7 days. It was after the first day of taking the iodine that I noticed it, so the idodine may be it unless the timing was just a coincidence. I leave it up to you to try and figure it out. But I have to say, taking the increased my EMF sensitivity dramatically and it didn't click til 7 days later henced why I stopped at 7 days. Apparently iodine can increase oxidative stress, and since EMF's seems to induce the same symptoms, then EMF's may be effecting me by way of oxidative stress. My body is unable to cope with oxidative stress like normal healthy bodies, this is linked to mercury and or other heavy metal toxicity or essential mineral overload or deficiency, such as zinc, iron, copper that are involved in mitigating oxidative stress. Copper stands out because high dose vC can lead to copper deficiency, and this is corroborated by my 6 hair during the times my nodes started swelling, all showed low copper. My recent test normal copper levels. I started eating chocolate protien bars and dark chocolate for about a year the whole 2o22. I was eating a lot of fat as well which i've stopped now cause apparently high fat diets increases oxidative stress as well. Oh I was on a high salt diet as well(long story), until I realized it was making my supersensitive to EMF's as well, I'm sure there is a link with salt to oxidative stress as well. Again you'll have to put the pieces together. =)

My lymph nodes is the only indication that is indicating I am going the right direction, the rest of my symptoms are about the same fluctuating from very bad to less bad.

My lymph nodes started ballooning to the size of large grapes one under each side of my jaw in line with my ear lobes. My guess to the cause is from 3 grams of sodium ascorbate(vitamin C) that I started taking everday and possibly in combination with a high fat mostly beef diet. I also started eating whole coconuts, all that saturated fat might have overwhelmed and clogged my already poor liver. I believe vC is the main suspect as smaller amounts from just 150mg increases my chemical sensitivity and breathing in any amount of car exhaust inflames and burns my lungs which takes weeks to heal, currently going thru this now. I also notice my sensitivity to vC while taking 4oz of squeezed lemon or grapefruit juice for my liver flushes a number of times, so there is something there with vC that is causing this in my body.

For three years those two nodes were swollen, brushing them with my fingers do bring them down, but never subsiding, just fluctuating in size depending a number of things diet, exercise, saunas. After three years of this in early 2022 I noticed a dramatic shrinkage and it has slowly began shrinking. One I can barely feel, the other is around the size of a pea. It has subsided slower than I had imagine, so it might be another year before I can't feel both of them. There are three things I started that I think may be the reason for this - I took a dose of ivermectin in December 2021, I started malic acid about 1.5g with each meal everyday in hopes to break down sludge in my liver, and about a month after that I started taking Lugol's 2% idodine 1 drop a day I believe for about 7 days. It was after the first day of taking the iodine that I noticed it, so the idodine may be it unless the timing was just a coincidence. I leave it up to you to try and figure it out. But I have to say, taking the increased my EMF sensitivity dramatically and it didn't click til 7 days later henced why I stopped at 7 days. Apparently iodine can increase oxidative stress, and since EMF's seems to induce the same symptoms, then EMF's may be effecting me by way of oxidative stress. My body is unable to cope with oxidative stress like normal healthy bodies, this is linked to mercury and or other heavy metal toxicity or essential mineral overload or deficiency, such as zinc, iron, copper that are involved in mitigating oxidative stress. Copper stands out because high dose vC can lead to copper deficiency, and this is corroborated by my 6 hair during the times my nodes started swelling, all showed low copper. My recent test normal copper levels. I started eating chocolate protien bars and dark chocolate for about a year the whole 2o22. I was eating a lot of fat as well which i've stopped now cause apparently high fat diets increases oxidative stress as well. Oh I was on a high salt diet as well(long story), until I realized it was making my supersensitive to EMF's as well, I'm sure there is a link with salt to oxidative stress as well. Again you'll have to put the pieces together. =)

My lymph nodes is the only indication that is indicating I am going the right direction, the rest of my symptoms are about the same fluctuating from very bad to less bad.

#56 · December 19, 2023, 11:15 am

@john Interesting. Never heard about reaction to vit C like that..

#57 · December 19, 2023, 11:23 am

Quote from Jiří on December 19, 2023, 11:15 am

@john Interesting. Never heard about reaction to vit C like that..

I added to my comment some things that might be more helpful. Yes vC increases oxalates and risk of kidney stones and a couple of other negatives effects I forget. Keep an eye out for vC. If it's doing this to me, it has to be doing to others as well. cV has been glorified since the beginning but I suspect it may have a similar story as vA does causing more heath issues than it helps.

#58 · December 19, 2023, 11:31 am

Quote from Jiří on December 19, 2023, 10:09 am

@inger I do lymphatic brushing and like the guys said. I always start around the clavicles/ upper chest. But I never massage lymph nodes around jaw/under ears and that is mistake. Because they are painful on touch. So I will do them as well.. If you are too alkaline I think you need more protein and stomach acid. So more meat and maybe apple cider vinegar before the meals?

@jiri oh, are your lymph nodes painful to touch... I dont have that. Then one needs to be careful I guess, or very gentle!

The weird thing is that I have more than enough stomach acid I can digest food just fine and I digest meat wonderfully, I eat a pound of meat a day at least. Mostly more. Somehow it just does not fit. I should have too little stomach acid if I am too alkaline but I dont! I have zero issues digesting food. Maybe his theory is faulty?!

#59 · December 19, 2023, 2:26 pm

Quote from Inger on December 19, 2023, 11:31 am

Quote from Jiří on December 19, 2023, 10:09 am

@inger I do lymphatic brushing and like the guys said. I always start around the clavicles/ upper chest. But I never massage lymph nodes around jaw/under ears and that is mistake. Because they are painful on touch. So I will do them as well.. If you are too alkaline I think you need more protein and stomach acid. So more meat and maybe apple cider vinegar before the meals?

@jiri oh, are your lymph nodes painful to touch... I dont have that. Then one needs to be careful I guess, or very gentle!

The weird thing is that I have more than enough stomach acid I can digest food just fine and I digest meat wonderfully, I eat a pound of meat a day at least. Mostly more. Somehow it just does not fit. I should have too little stomach acid if I am too alkaline but I dont! I have zero issues digesting food. Maybe his theory is faulty?!

It doesn't necessarily mean low stomach acid. It just means your body is holding on to CO2 to balance your pH levels. It's the main way we balance our blood pH. By adjusting how quickly we blow off CO2. It could mean you aren't producing much CO2 from carbs. How many carbs a day do you eat?

#60 · December 20, 2023, 12:46 am

@inger "oh, are your lymph nodes painful to touch... I dont have that. Then one needs to be careful I guess, or very gentle!"

heh I massaged the lymph nodes under my ears close to jaw yesterday and today the whole area is painful and sensitive and I have nice headache. Maybe that headache is not related. I am sick for the last 10 days... Anyway I will massage that jaw/ear area daily from now on for sure. There is a major blockage for sure..

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