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I am currently doing the Marshall Protocol as well as eliminating Vitamin A.
I believe these two approaches couple nicely. Both Vitamin A and D affect the immune system and cause dysfunction. Both are heavily fortified in our foods and cause problems. Immune system suppression/dysfunction cause microbes to proliferate, compounding our issues. Best to get rid of Vitamin A and D.
I have done the Marshall Protocol alone and it works but once I stop taking the Olmesartan, I regress in a year or 2. My opinion is that the Olmesartan is needed when Vitamin A and 1,25 D is high, as they all compete with each other. Eliminate Vitamin A and things may be much easier to stabilize.
Here in the US, I can get 180 (40mg) tablets for 25$. When I did the Protocol before, It was almost a dollar per pill. It will be much more feasible now that it is dirt cheap.
Interestingly, my ferritin has dropped from 68 to 32 in the last 2 months. Despite the fact that I ate a lot of beef. Maybe it's supplements B1, which I taked from time to time. I wonder if anyone else here has seen a decrease in iron on the diet?
Quote from Armin on October 25, 2021, 5:33 pmI am currently doing the Marshall Protocol as well as eliminating Vitamin A.
I believe these two approaches couple nicely. Both Vitamin A and D affect the immune system and cause dysfunction. Both are heavily fortified in our foods and cause problems. Immune system suppression/dysfunction cause microbes to proliferate, compounding our issues. Best to get rid of Vitamin A and D.
I have done the Marshall Protocol alone and it works but once I stop taking the Olmesartan, I regress in a year or 2. My opinion is that the Olmesartan is needed when Vitamin A and 1,25 D is high, as they all compete with each other. Eliminate Vitamin A and things may be much easier to stabilize.
Here in the US, I can get 180 (40mg) tablets for 25$. When I did the Protocol before, It was almost a dollar per pill. It will be much more feasible now that it is dirt cheap.
That's very much in favor of the Marshall Protocol. I have found some praising experiences on Reddit and skeptical articles too. I think it's best to try it for yourself and see how you feel.
What improvements have you experienced, especially now combining a low vitamin A diet with the Marshall Protocol?
That price tag of 25 dollars for 180 tablets sounds much more doable. Can you share the place you're getting the Olmesartan from?
Quote from Даниил on October 26, 2021, 3:47 amInterestingly, my ferritin has dropped from 68 to 32 in the last 2 months. Despite the fact that I ate a lot of beef. Maybe it's supplements B1, which I taked from time to time. I wonder if anyone else here has seen a decrease in iron on the diet?
I have had a similar experience with thiamine. High dosages of 1000 mg per day quickly deplete iron. The same can be said about high dosages of vitamin E and aspirin. If my ferritin values sink too low, I don't feel as good. Below 30 feels not good. I'm generally prone to too little iron, rather than too high. Maybe it's my body trying to get rid of bacteria that feed on iron, so it lowers it to eradicate it.
Here's an impressive review from someone who was on the Marshall Protocol for seven years (source Reddit):
I have been on this protocol for almost 7 years for an inflammatory disorder (not CFS). Prior to the MP I was on a palliative regimen that consisted of max dose NSAIDS, Prednisone, Lyrica and Tramadol. This combination of meds provided little benefit and I was prepared to submit a disability claim.
Within two months of starting the MP, I was able to drop all other meds and work normally. Within one year I was 95% symptom free and able to ski, bike and tolerate vigorous exercise with no significant consequences.
My prescribing Dr. successfully treated his wife who had CFS with this protocol.
I recognize that this is not the most well-studied therapy and probably not the safest, but in my case, it has been dramatically more effective than anything else I've tried.
(As an aside, I do not adhere to the sunlight restriction / low vitamin D aspect of this treatment. In fact, I tend to seek regular sun exposure to keep vitamin D levels within a normal range. I simply use Olmesartan Medoximil at high dose).
I don't remember when I last played any sports. I've become pretty sedentary. In my youth, I was into many different sports and enjoyed them. Sigh.
Within two months the patient was able to drop all the medication and was able to work normally. We don't know if the person resumed work, or was just working part-time before and was then able to increase the workload. It sounds like a fast increase in life quality, the entire recovery eventually took years. I imagine a curve linear development, quick improvement, and then a slow decline in how the progress continued. That's pretty comparable to a low vitamin A depletion diet: after a honeymoon phase, steady and usually slow improvements can be expected over years.
Quote from Даниил on October 27, 2021, 6:02 am@armin what symptoms does olmesatran help you get rid of?
When I did the Marshall Protocol, I simply went the Olmesartan-only route. I didn't pulse minocycline, haven't used ivermectin. Ivermectin and zinc is recommended for the updated version. I simply avoided Vitamin D foods and took 160 mg of Olmesartan/day.
The symptoms that were the most prevalent that prompted me to use the MP was "rheumatoid arthritis". I was diagnosed with JRA back when I was 16. I had the worst episode ever back when I was 26, before I found the MP. Both knees, right elbow, left wrist, jaw, ankles, neck, sternum, very tight muscles, connective tissues (tendon, fascia), Reynaud's, fatigue, anxiety, eczema.
I've been off and on MP over the past 8 years due to price of olemesartan and believing that simply avoiding Vitamin D would keep things at bay. I was "eating healthy" with tons of colorful plants and didn't understand why things would regress every 2-3 years. With the Vitamin A consumption revelation, it all started to make sense.
I've been avoiding Vitamin A for the past 4 months and on 160mg of Olmesartan for the past 3 months. Things are much better than they were when I started both protocols. There are ebbs and flows but overall I can tell I am making considerable headway. I eat beans, rice and beef. I supplement with glucuronolactone and NAC the past 2 months. I will stay on the Olmesartan for the foreseeable future as my Vitamin A goes down and things return to baseline. And it is dirt cheap.
Quote from Hermes on October 26, 2021, 7:03 amQuote from Armin on October 25, 2021, 5:33 pmI am currently doing the Marshall Protocol as well as eliminating Vitamin A.
I believe these two approaches couple nicely. Both Vitamin A and D affect the immune system and cause dysfunction. Both are heavily fortified in our foods and cause problems. Immune system suppression/dysfunction cause microbes to proliferate, compounding our issues. Best to get rid of Vitamin A and D.
I have done the Marshall Protocol alone and it works but once I stop taking the Olmesartan, I regress in a year or 2. My opinion is that the Olmesartan is needed when Vitamin A and 1,25 D is high, as they all compete with each other. Eliminate Vitamin A and things may be much easier to stabilize.
Here in the US, I can get 180 (40mg) tablets for 25$. When I did the Protocol before, It was almost a dollar per pill. It will be much more feasible now that it is dirt cheap.
That's very much in favor of the Marshall Protocol. I have found some praising experiences on Reddit and skeptical articles too. I think it's best to try it for yourself and see how you feel.
What improvements have you experienced, especially now combining a low vitamin A diet with the Marshall Protocol?
That price tag of 25 dollars for 180 tablets sounds much more doable. Can you share the place you're getting the Olmesartan from?
I use generic Olemsartan by using Goodrx.com
Quote from Armin on October 27, 2021, 7:36 amQuote from Даниил on October 27, 2021, 6:02 am@armin what symptoms does olmesatran help you get rid of?
When I did the Marshall Protocol, I simply went the Olmesartan-only route. I didn't pulse minocycline, haven't used ivermectin. Ivermectin and zinc is recommended for the updated version. I simply avoided Vitamin D foods and took 160 mg of Olmesartan/day.
The symptoms that were the most prevalent that prompted me to use the MP was "rheumatoid arthritis". I was diagnosed with JRA back when I was 16. I had the worst episode ever back when I was 26, before I found the MP. Both knees, right elbow, left wrist, jaw, ankles, neck, sternum, very tight muscles, connective tissues (tendon, fascia), Reynaud's, fatigue, anxiety, eczema.
I've been off and on MP over the past 8 years due to price of olemesartan and believing that simply avoiding Vitamin D would keep things at bay. I was "eating healthy" with tons of colorful plants and didn't understand why things would regress every 2-3 years. With the Vitamin A consumption revelation, it all started to make sense.
I've been avoiding Vitamin A for the past 4 months and on 160mg of Olmesartan for the past 3 months. Things are much better than they were when I started both protocols. There are ebbs and flows but overall I can tell I am making considerable headway. I eat beans, rice and beef. I supplement with glucuronolactone and NAC the past 2 months. I will stay on the Olmesartan for the foreseeable future as my Vitamin A goes down and things return to baseline. And it is dirt cheap.
And all the symptoms you listed go away after taking olmesatran alone?
I wonder why you take NAC? It seems to be a rather controversial supplement.