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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
Choline is not lecithin and lecithin is not only phosphatidylcholine. He likes to make out things are very simplistic when they are much more complicated. Choline AKA lecithin AKA phosphatidylcholine (also known as) - seriously ?
He keeps pushing this storage of vA in the liver. On a lowish vA diet there's very little to store and in any case it's for onward detoxing by the liver as discussed by @jessica2 and @wavygravygadzooks.
A common suspicion amongst detoxers is that they are low in biotin. @jaj suspects this. I wonder too as a nail has not completely healed yet. The foods like egg yolks, salmon, mushrooms, pork, and walnuts not exactly all being encouraged in the LYL diet. I'm glad I'm now eating all these foods including sunflower seeds also mentioned as a good source. https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-biotin
Choline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choline
Lecithin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecithin
Phosphatidylcholine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylcholine
@chris-4 This is the big question I have at the moment. Is the choline doing the detox or the fibre or both ? I eat apples, organic spelt, mushrooms, potato, parsnips and bananas as highest sources. I dont have much beans now after eating a lot before. About 35 grams a day total fibre. It's claimed you can detox without fibre and just meat so it might be true. I only have activated charcoal with heartburn and only now my digestion is better.
Andrew, I'm just curious about your use of soluble fiber is in the detox? I ask because I just have problems with soluble fiber, whether it's activated charcoal, bean, etc. Can the body detox without a significant amount of it?
Is activated charcoal a soluble fiber? I thought it was insoluble.
@christian yes iodine and selenium are detoxers. Eggs have a good amount of selenium (and some iodine I think) but not nearly as high as most supplements. If you're getting selenium from some food source then likely absorption should improve with lecithin.
I think activated charcoal is mostly insoluble. It can be from hardwood, coconut and bamboo so there might be a bit of a mix of fibres as there usually are.
Yes sorry, I should have not grouped activated charcoal as soluble fiber, I guess I meant more in general bile-binders, my digestive system just doesn't seem to like them. i've wondered if it has more to do with them promoting extra bile into my system and that's what's causing me issues.
Regarding detoxification without fiber...aside from the rapidly growing number of people living happily on a modern version of carnivore, most of whom have fixed some pre-existing health condition that seems to stem from plant consumption, consider the case of the Inuit...if you needed fiber to detox Vitamin A or anything else, then these groups should have gone extinct long ago, particularly if they were eating liver consistently (and some individuals do). Evidence from other extant indigenous groups who consume liver with extremely low rates of plant consumption suggest the same thing.
I really don't understand why anybody keeps asking this question. However, it is still worth considering whether fiber consumption speeds or impedes detox, but you don't need fiber for anything (barring rare circumstances of course).
I've experimented many times with fiber and binders on my low vA diet. I haven't come to any certain conclusions except that I seem to have made plenty of progress during the extended periods without any fiber. On the pro-fiber side, I think it's possible it helps prevent dysbiosis that might occur from an excess of glucuronidated compounds that serve as an easily consumed sugar source by certain bacteria...I've had tons of gas on a carnivore diet despite seeming to digest meat just fine, which I can only really chalk up to bacteria feeding on glucuronidated compounds in the colon. On the downside, fiber and binders of any kind seem to slow the movement of things through the colon and worsen my GI symptoms. However, I have not tried an ultra-low-fat diet high in fiber, and I do wonder if that would be enough to shift my gut biome out of the rut it seems to be in. I may try that at some point out of curiosity, although I don't think maintaining such a diet for any length of time is a good idea, and if it takes years to deplete excess vA stores I would not want to rely on such a diet to do it.
@wavygravygadzooks I thought about doing that too, but here's what happened when I fell off the wagon added higher VA food, regressed, then began detoxing again, no fiber. And yes, made progress.
This summer I added full fat cheese after over 2 yrs low VA just to add variety to my carnivore diet.
After 3 months I saw changes that I am positive were related to excess VA storage in my skin-it reverted to rough, red patches especially on my chest , thickening callouses. Brows started graying. My autoimmune condition flared. I also looked older, developed noticeably drooping upper eyelids. Felt sluggish and gained a few pounds.
I was already considering upper lid surgery before starting the low VA diet. When I had gone low A for 2 years my lids looked perfect. Odd that toxic VA can age skin that way. I dropped the dairy, beginning 11/9/22, without any added fiber other than occasional few almonds. Now, after just 5 weeks, My skin is rapidly returning to smooth, my lids lifted again. Dropped 6 lbs. And I have been eating an egg a day, beef pork belly, lamb bison. Plus a cup of 0% greek yogurt with coconut yogurt- no added milk solids.
Did I detox from my misbehavior with no daily fiber? No 2 T beans 3 x a day? no psyllium? Yes. I am apparently detoxing.
Unless its all shoved in my liver which makes no sense to me whatsoever. I have no nausea, no swelling in my upper right abdomen, no tenderness. IDK whats going on with the LYL we're all going to die from choline/biotin message, Grant says just get off the main offenders and give it time, and apparently it is for life. I like the slow road. It works
Egg intake in chronic kidney disease. I do tend to emphasise it's the Vit A reduction plus the eggs but even with chronic kidney disease there may be some helpful aspects to egg consumption. No increased risk at least. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6315879/