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"electrolyte protocol" by Gbolduev

 

another crap what bicarb does is moving macrophages from M1 to M2 state (anti inflammatory).

you can not be in acidosis since blood PH is very tightly controlled

Yes if you measured blood PH before and after ingestion it would be the same but that does not mean it does not have an effect on PH buffering system, my breathing slows down considerably when I ingest sodium bicarb which to me signifies less need to reduce acidity by removing co2 from the lungs

@kurtis do you have problems with other sulfur containing things like eggs, garlic, cruciferous vegetables, MSM etc.? I am deficient in molybdenum for sure. First hair test low moly, second test even lower moly.. Have issues with sulfur compounds. So there is not enough molybdenum to detox this sulfur.. But I need to be careful, because moly is very strong copper antagonist. So I don't want end up with bad copper deficiency symptoms heh.. I will try that NAC, but mostly it's for my mom. She is smoker and has lung issues.. A lot of mucus coughing.. But can't wait to try ubiquinol.. It should improve my energy level.. 

BTw FDA wants to classify NAC as a drug if I am not mistaken. So it must work LOL..

NAC is bad because is downregulates macrophages - you need immune cells in a robust state both to control chronic infections like we all carry (EBV, CMV, etc) and for body healing.

Playing around endotoxin feedback is what drugs like prednisolone(aka "Pred-Till-Dead") do (their main job).

Antioxidants attenuate endotoxin-induced activation of alveolar macrophages
https://www.surgjournal.com/article/S0039-6060(05)80353-8/pdf
Conclusions. Macrophage signal transduction of LPS is dependent on the generation of reactive oxygen intermediates that can be blocked both at the level of the lipid membrane (vitamin E) and at the intracellular level (NAC).

The key thing to understand is that the body does not work by having specific "levels" of anything  it works by setting up a "balance" between all the various things. So it is an incorrect concept to try and force the body to have a particular level of any nutrient with supplementation, while the body's own homeostasis is working to lower it for some(complex, unobservable) reason.

In other words just because a particular metabolite is a certain level in "healthy" individuals doesn't mean to say that any good will be achieved by its supplementation in a sick person.

 

 

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@jiri Hmmm no I don't think I have problems with high sulfur foods. My primary symptoms are oral thrush, swollen lymph nodes on my neck, suboptimal digestion and some mild jaundice that i've had since a teenager

 

Quote from rockarolla on June 20, 2021, 9:28 am

The key thing to understand is that the body does not work by having specific "levels" of anything  it works by setting up a "balance" between all the various things. So it is an incorrect concept to try and force the body to have a particular level of any nutrient with supplementation, while the body's own homeostasis is working to lower it for some(complex, unobservable) reason.

In other words just because a particular metabolite is a certain level in "healthy" individuals doesn't mean to say that any good will be achieved by its supplementation in a sick person.

Goodhart's law makes medicine feel impossibly complicated

@rockarolla " while the body's own homeostasis is working to lower it for some(complex, unobservable) reason."

it doesn't have to be the case every time. I don't like to supplement with things that are made in the body. But if you think it's a bad think tu supplement even raw materials so vitamins, minerals, amino acids than I can't agree with you at all.  Most people are toxic in some micronutrients and deficient in others because of their environment, lifestyle( they are doing, eating same things all the time that are unbalanced) etc..  and I think the key to good health is to find balance in it. Now If you are healthy and you can eat everything etc.. there is no need to take anything. The body is in balance. But if your body is completely fucked up and the mineral/vitamin balance is really off. You can't fix it without supplements.. Vit B1 is a great example. How much people need to reverse deficiency. Unfortunately there is no interest in good testing methods. Because there are no money in telling people you are toxic in this, deficient in this, you need to take this and avoid this.. So everyone takes everything randomly and the chance that they will take exactly what their biochemistry needs is very low..  Btw what about ubuqiunol also very bad? It has great reviews on i herb or amazon hehehe..

Btw what about ubuqiunol also very bad? It has great reviews on i herb or amazon hehehe..

 
yeah, seems to be another suppressant(symptoms modulator)
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i partly agree there are some supplements that has the potential to help the body: balanced macros, copper, zinc, a little of vit C, vit D(through sunshine + pulsing like every 4+ days) and probably selenium .. what else i've failed to find..
 
B1 i'am not sure it suppresses receptors too:
 
benfotiamine, a fat-soluble vitamin B1 analog, could modulate the macrophage inflammatory response against LPS- induced inflammation by inhibiting translocation of NFκB p65 into the nucleus. Taken together, our finding indicated that thiamine exerts anti-inflammatory properties by suppressing TLR4-mediated NFκB activation, and thus decreased the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines including TNFα and IL1B.
 
In the context of epidemic and early virus recognition via TLR4 receptor playing with immunity is a dangerous thing to do, better to concentrate on nutritional immunity instead(withdrawal from excessive vitamins like A, etc), limiting fructose, supporting immune system with copper, zinc, etc...
 

@rockarolla and you know what suppresses immune system as well? What the body uses to kill bugs? Hydrogen peroxide right? But this hydrogen peroxide used by immune system to kill bugs is causing huge oxidative stress and if you can't afford more oxidative stress the body will shut down hydrogen peroxide production.. So taking ubiquinol, glutathione, NAC etc.. can work in way that it increases antioxidant capacity so the body can afford pump some hydrogen peroxide to kill some bugs and that can help the body to the point that it will start working again much better in every way.. Simply you look at it all the time from one angle..

Quote from Jiří on June 20, 2021, 11:12 am

@rockarolla and you know what suppresses immune system as well?

all vitamins 😉 

But this hydrogen peroxide used by immune system to kill bugs is causing huge oxidative stress and if you can't afford more oxidative stress the body will shut down hydrogen peroxide production.. 

Body has tools to regulate oxidative stress by itself: endogenous(human) lactoferrin, uric acid, something else i've forgot - they are all antioxidants generated by immune system...

 

 

@rockarolla sure the body will always handle whatever oxidative stress no matter what right? LOL Same with your view on pH balance. You don't need to worry about it at all the body will keep in ideal pH all tissues in all times no matter what right? LOL Yes the body is trying 24/7 but to the point.. Tell me that somebody with cancer has ideal pH in all tissues and good antioxidant status. LOL 

@jiri out of curiousity, what does these LOLs mean? Are you conveying happiness, ridicule, empathy, I’m confused